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| M-ACE G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Ur-Quan Dreadnought Commander | posted on 08-02-2001 @ 4:05 PM |    | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jul. 01  | I would like to see Kevin on O&A. Too bad he is buds with Stern. :-( The Syndication Underground... Get in, or FU | ||||
| RandomNY | posted on 08-02-2001 @ 4:07 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 00 | They have spoken to him a while ago when he was shooting the new movie. He'll come into the studio soon. | ||||
| Canweseeyourstuff | posted on 08-02-2001 @ 4:08 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | They did do a telephone interview with him a few months back.  | ||||
| M-ACE G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Ur-Quan Dreadnought Commander | posted on 08-02-2001 @ 4:15 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jul. 01 | Anybody know the date of that interview? The Syndication Underground... Get in, or FU | ||||
| das_doomper | posted on 08-02-2001 @ 4:17 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jul. 01 | yeah they talked to him before, and with the trouble with those g.l.a.d folks they are gonna probably get him on to goof around on those tools. *bunch of savages in this town* | ||||
| Syndicate | posted on 08-02-2001 @ 4:20 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | Thursday, November 16, 2000 Happy Birthday Kevin. :_win(7):http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OAComSigPics/files/Syndicate/renstimpy.jpg) Proud Graduate Of The International I like AFRO's | ||||
| M-ACE G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Ur-Quan Dreadnought Commander | posted on 08-02-2001 @ 4:36 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jul. 01 | Thanks Syndicate. I owe you! The Syndication Underground... Get in, or FU | ||||
| Syndicate | posted on 08-02-2001 @ 4:44 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | You do? Cool! Make me a cool flash sig! ;) Proud Graduate Of The International I like AFRO's | ||||
| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 08-02-2001 @ 5:10 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00 | Here's an article about the GLAAD situation about being angry with Kevin Smith despite the fact he probably made one of the most popular pro-lesbian movies ever made. Of course Lewis Black is totally right when saying "How can they complain about a movie they've never seen before?": GLAAD Strikes Back at "Silent Bob" It seems the Catholic Church and the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (news - web sites) have found a common cause: dissing Kevin Smith movies. The director, previously dogged by Catholics over his 1999 Alanis-as-God religious comedy Dogma, is now facing heat from GLAAD over what it calls the "overwhelmingly homophobic" tone of his new flick, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. The film, which hits theaters August 10, stars Jason Mewes and Smith as stoner duo Jay and Silent Bob, who set off for Hollywood to sabotage a movie loosely based on their life. But aside from a string of all-star cameos, Smith's film is also rife with oral-sex jokes, gay references and goofball male humor. After viewing a screening, GLAAD representatives fired off a letter to Smith, complaining that the film "reinforces [gay men] as objects of acceptable ridicule and dehumanization," and condemning Jay's perpetual use of the word "gay" when describing something stupid. "I know Kevin Smith is not a homophobe," says Scott Seomin, GLAAD's entertainment media director. "But we feel the movie he wrote and directed is overwhelmingly homophobic, and there's a huge potential for a negative impact on gay people, particularly gay youth." Smith, foreseeing the PR flap that was brewing, posted his own lengthy response Tuesday night on the Website for his production company, www.ViewAskew.com. In a preemptive strike, Smith published GLAAD's letter and defended both himself and his movie, calling it a satire of young male stupidity. "Neither Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back nor myself are homophobic," he wrote. "If anything, we're overtly gay-friendly. "I swear, I caught it from the right wing on Dogma, and now I'm catching it from the left wing on this flick," he adds. "Which am I, people, a bleeding heart liberal or Bible-thumping conservative? And when the hell do I get to make a movie in which I don't have to explain myself afterwards?" As anyone who's seen a Kevin Smith film will point out, the Jay and Silent Bob characters have always had a Batman-and-Robin-style relationship--even occasionally teetering into ambiguously gay territory. Dogma included scenes in which Jay admitted to having sexual fantasies about guys. Said Smith: "When you have two main characters who've both--at one point or another--hinted at or flat-out copped to homo-erotic escapades, how on earth can that be considered 'gay bashing'? It's more than you get in most 'buddy' flicks. Did Murtaugh and Riggs [of Lethal Weapon] ever cop to getting dreamy over the male anatomy? I think not." Both Smith and Seomin say they've been cordial in their discussions about the film; Seomin says he was even sitting in Smith's office when the director posted his Web message. To his credit, Seomin says, "Kevin responded. A lot of filmmakers wouldn't." GLAAD, however, believed there was no possible way for Smith to change his film, and instead suggested that the director make a donation to the Matthew Shepard Foundation, an organization aimed at educating kids about the dangers of homophobia and founded by the mother of the slain gay student from Wyoming. Smith complied, donating $10,000 to the cause. But the no-so-silent filmmaker insists his donation shouldn't be mistaken for an apology. "I'm not sorry--because I didn't make the jokes at the expense of the gay community," Smith wrote. "I made jokes at the expense of two characters who neither I nor the audience have ever held up to be paragons of intellect. They're idiots." Still, Seomin believes the satire will be lost on many of Smith's fans. "GLAAD is steadfast in its belief that this film is dangerous, and Kevin is steadfast in believing it's a satire," he says. "The audience is not going to be separating satire from acceptable behavior when they're bombarded with constant 'fag jokes.'" ] The narrator in Fight Club is the man we will be, Patrick Bateman in American Psycho is the man we want to be Eliza Dushku- Hotter Than Britney | ||||
| Syndicate | posted on 08-02-2001 @ 5:18 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | GLADD contradicts itself. On one hand they want gays and lesbians to be reflected in the most honest light possible. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want to be portrayed honestly you should be willing to poked fun at. Just as gay characters make fun of heterosexuals, why not do the same with homosexuals. Why aren't they knocking on "Will and Grace"'s door? Kevin's movies are funny but at the same time throw a little intelligent discourse about human nature and how people deal with their hangups (Chasing Amy, dealing with someone you love's past). Special interest groups are all about publicity, most of the time they're not sincerely upset but instead are looking for press. Proud Graduate Of The International I like AFRO's | ||||
| Lord Duvious | posted on 08-02-2001 @ 5:19 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jul. 01 | quote: This right here pisses me off. Who the fuck is he to say that Smith's audience can't seperate satire from gay-bashing? He just insulted the intelligence of the audience and probably made the situation worse.  Proud Graduate of the AFDude Academy Now I have my wings | ||||
| brodieman | posted on 08-02-2001 @ 5:29 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | kevin smith audience IS smart enought to seperate fact from fiction, joke from seriousness, they are a smart movie viewing public. this is rediulous, god damn sensitive faggots=P and if i may quote some kevin smith gay sayings... fucking cock knockers... cock smoking clerk eww you fucking faggot, i hate guys, i love women! dont call her a dyke, shes a lesbian hey, if this gets more people to the movies to see jay and silent bob strike back, go for it, it wont be hard to beat any records, he makes great movies but kevin smith isnt know for his blockbuster box office numbers let the fags have their say! their parade, and their cock!  BRODIEMAN...NOOTCH NOOTCH! "just remember, next time you pop your old lady, you make her call you jay, snootchie boothies."-Jay, Mallrats "stormin through the party like his name was el nino..."-Sum 41 "someday, maybe she'll come back to me...and i'll say, why don't you go fuck yourself!"-Reel Big Fish | ||||
| Mc_Cain_GookKilla | posted on 08-02-2001 @ 5:34 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jul. 01 | Its all about a shakedown for money. | ||||
| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 08-02-2001 @ 5:36 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00 | If you listen to the Clerks audio commentary Smith says that Randall was sort of bisexual. And Banky, whether or not he's gay or bi, was a cool character. Hell I have a screenname based on him and don't give a shit. The narrator in Fight Club is the man we will be, Patrick Bateman in American Psycho is the man we want to be Eliza Dushku- Hotter Than Britney This message was edited by IkeaBoy on 8-2-01 @ 5:39 PM | ||||
| brodieman | posted on 08-02-2001 @ 5:38 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | this is true ikeaboy, i remember hearing that, and how can kevin smith be any type of anti-gay...anyone remember chasing amy...remember the main charecter alyssa...she was gay!!! and so was Hooper X who was funny as shit! (but also very stereotypical) but no kevin smith film comes without controversy, chasing amy had it, dogma REALLY had it and not the "alegidly" last jay and bob film has it, thank god=) BRODIEMAN...NOOTCH NOOTCH! "just remember, next time you pop your old lady, you make her call you jay, snootchie boothies."-Jay, Mallrats "stormin through the party like his name was el nino..."-Sum 41 "someday, maybe she'll come back to me...and i'll say, why don't you go fuck yourself!"-Reel Big Fish | ||||
| M-ACE G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Ur-Quan Dreadnought Commander | posted on 08-02-2001 @ 6:28 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jul. 01 | How about this Syndicate? The Syndication Underground... Get in, or FU | ||||
| Lord Duvious | posted on 08-02-2001 @ 6:30 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jul. 01 | Wow...how cool is that. Proud Graduate of the AFDude Academy Now I have my wings | ||||
| F the S out of her A | posted on 08-02-2001 @ 9:36 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | [imus] Uh, I wasn't offendin' them gays.. I was doing CHARACTERS. [/imus] Jay, like everyone in the movie, is a character, not a real human being. If the thought process behind the GLAAD letter to Kevin Smith holds up, why weren't they out protesting "Boys Don't Cry" (the movie w/ Hilary Swank where she portrayed a cross-dresser and chased girls under false pretenses) because there were CHARACTERS (although based on real people) in the movie that KILLED HER? I could go on, but an organization such as this should not go public with such a knee-jerk reaction. Fucking hippocrites! Narrator: "I STILL can't think of anything." Tyler: "Flashback humor, how amusing." | ||||
| Turk408 | posted on 08-02-2001 @ 10:26 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | As usual Glaad goes the same way of all these special interest groups. They bully people who don't want to be politicaly correct and accuse those of being politically incorrect as racist or homophobes. It's too bad that more people can't just tell these special interest groups to go fuck themselves because the things they preach are dividing this country. Celebrate what makes you all the same and not what makes you different.I hope this movie has a shitload of gay jokes and faggot references. If you can't laugh at yourself who can you laugh at?? Kevin is a great film maker and I look forward to Jay n Silent Bob strike back along with anything else he makes. It ain't easy being greasy in a world full of cleanliness and you know, all that other madness. | ||||
| mikeWOW | posted on 08-03-2001 @ 6:48 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | btw the day kevin called in was when jackie the knife girl was in studio. just wanted 2 help "i hate people that dont get it!" | ||||
| Syndicate | posted on 08-03-2001 @ 10:37 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | Haha! Kick ass M-ACE!!! How can I download it so I don't have to leech off your bandwidth? Proud Graduate Of The International I like AFRO's | ||||
| M-ACE G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Ur-Quan Dreadnought Commander | posted on 08-03-2001 @ 11:02 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jul. 01 | can I email to you? The Syndication Underground... Get in, or FU | ||||
| Syndicate | posted on 08-03-2001 @ 11:11 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | [email protected] Thanks man!! Proud Graduate Of The International I like AFRO's | ||||
| darthziggy Isles fan for life | posted on 08-04-2001 @ 1:36 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | serious e-mails only for syndicate ;) lol j/k man, we wouldn't do that to one of our own.quote: does this guy make those independent films about gay cowboys sitting around a campfire eating pudding? (obscure reference, kinda).  [email protected] I'm off to Franklin Pierce College in September. Go Ravens! LET'S GO ISLANDERS | ||||
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