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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: O and A / Stern feud- Please explain to a newbie! | ||||
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| JimVII
| posted on 11-30-2001 @ 5:47 AM |    | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Nov. 01  | OK. I am sure this has been asked to DEATH, but- O and A was just recently syndicated to my city, as was Stern. I enjoy both shows a lot. I know there is some kind of feud going on between O and A and Stern. Can someone please explain the details of the fight? The other threads didn't seem to cover the feud in depth (when it started, who started it, etc.) -Jim "NORTON RULES!!" | ||||
| crx girl Newbie! vg Y's me ugo girl Limey Mothercocker | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 6:03 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | well, i'm no expert, but basically, stern came first (or so he says) o&a are on their way up, so he tends to try to stop them. i wouldn't really worry yourself with it. listen to both shows. either you'll enjoy them both, hate them both, or pick a favourite. and then what you do is out of our hands. incidentally, did you post this same question on sfn? cos it could be interesting to compare responses...  An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. --Victor Hugo regardless of my status, i am a nice person. no really, i am, i swear;) crack hitler belongs to me :) need me? try: [email protected] | ||||
| Cunt-Twat I'm not a Cockblocker, I'm a COCKSUCKER! | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 9:22 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | o&a didn't have a problem with stern, until he had a gag order put on them. the gag order was supposed to be lifted with their syndication deal, but it's been put back. but listen to both shows if you find them both entertaining. it's really no big deal. we don't want people to stop listening to stern, we just don't like hearing that o&a are ripping off stern. ============================== Remember-Laughter heals. | ||||
| FANDICK | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 10:29 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00 | Very quickly... 1. Howard and O&A work for the same company, Infinity (Howard REALLY despises what he calls his clones, working for his company) 2. O&A crashed his Son of the Beach press conference, and Howard had them removed. 3. O&A announced a special concert in NY that Howard was supposed to announce the next morning. 4. After Howard's divorce, O&A really roasted him, very well I might add. 5.Howard orders Mel Karmazin, head of Infinity, to place a gag order on O&A forbidding them from mentioning Howard's name on the air. This issue is particularly relevant because it goes against everything Howard stands for. He denies the order, and has never explained it. The order is lifted when O&A sign their new contract, but now has seemingly been enforced again. 6. Howard pathetically tries to take credit for WOW! saying he used to have men tie bandanas to their bumpers to get flashed by women. This was when he was in Washington. 7. Ant's brother Joe secretly enters Howard's song parody contest, and gets in the finals. Howard finds out, removes the song from the contest, and says that O&A are like his children, and they need daddy's attention. 8. High Pitch fuckhead calls in a bomb threat to WNEW and is arrested. Howard tries to downplay it and says he only threatened to bobm Opie's car which is totally false. 9. Howard starts to use O&A familiar terms on his show. Seemingly to jab at the boys. He used them incorrectly a lot as well. 10. O&A accuse Howard's oldest daughter of being drunk and high while partying at the KROCK Jingle Ball in NY. 11. Basically, Howard will never give them respect because he feels they have no right to do the type of show they do. He cosiders it his property, and what's worse for him is that they work for the company that he built. 12. O & A scare the shit out of him because they're THAT good and Howard knows it. Otherwise he would attack them like he does every other dj. They've captured the essence of what his show USED to be. Howard took it further than anyone, but O&A improve on that theme with original ideas, technology, and a kinship with their fans instead of isolation. I think that's it. (also think it was pretty accurate) "Its 106 miles to Chicago, we got a half a tank a gas, half a pack a cigarettes, its dark, and we're wearing sunglasses..." "HIT IT!" O & A Armored Division Sgt. Filzy CO This message was edited by FANDICK on 11-30-01 @ 12:01 PM | ||||
| PeterDragon | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 11:20 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | There are a few issues. Stern made is career by being an industry rebel. When he was making his bones he never hesitated to mention other radio personalities, and knock them when he thought they sucked. These people include (but aren't limited to) Don Imus, Soupy Sales, Rick Dees, Jay Thomas, John Debella (sp?), Steve Dahl, Ron & Fez (when they were in florida and Ron & Ron), and many others. Everyone was either old, lame, or a copy cat. I have never heard Stern compliment any radio person. Stern loved sending Stuttering John to disrupt news conferences, book signings, etc. Nothing was out of bounds as far as Stern was concerned. Fast forward a few years. Opie, who had been doing a shift on long island's WBAB meets up with Anthony. They go to WAAF and their magic grows. It looks like a long career in Boston-area, until the Mayor of Boston demonstrates he has no sense of humor, and they are fired. WNEW meanwhile, had been losing ratings as the "Rock of New York". They see that Stern has been sucessful, and decide to bring O&A back to NY. (I think this was before WNEW joined WXRK as an infinity station). O&A decide to purge the WNEW audience, and get possibly wilder than they had been. They attract a new audience, right here in Stern's back yard. Stern is still funny, but has now re-invented himself as "King of All Media". He is on his way to becoming exactly what he used to make fun of. Stern, who used to complain that everyone used to monitor his broadcasts, must have heard O&A. For the first time, rather than refer to them by name, he calls them "clones". It is speculated that he does this because he realizes they have talent. O&A, who have readily admitted they grew up listening to Stern among others, continue & Grow. They give props when deserved, but they also poke fun at anyone who deserves. Stern is in the news (just before divorce), and they make fun of him, as well as Imus and others. Imus laughes at Anthony's impressions; Stern on the other hand takes offense and complains to the big boss. Stern branches out and executive produces "Son of the Beach". He holds a press conference. O&A, who are now part of the same company, decide to have fun and visit the press conference. They are spotted by Stern (or his employees) and they are thrown out "before anything can happen". This from the man who once had Stuttering John ask Ted Williams if he ever farted in a catcher's face. This leads to Opie's tongue-in-cheek response "But we only wanted a sandwich !!" Fast forward. O&A have become huge in afternoon drivetime. Stern has stopped being creative, but continues to wield power. He gets Big Mel to institute a no competition clause, so WNEW cannot put anything in morning drive that Stern would consider competition. O&A remain an afternoon powerhouse. Stern and WXRK blackmail some rockers and tell them that if they go on O&A, WXRK will stop promoting their records.Stern now has infinity institute a GAG order on O&A. If they mention Stern, or if anyone says his name (including callers)it gets dumped out. This really tickes off our boys. They have never avoided anyone. They give praise to shows they like, even if it is competition. Stern on the other hand, has become the insider and stifles rivals. Don Imus invites O&A to come on his show to bash Stern, but O&A refuse. Now we are a few months ago. O&A have become huge here in NY. Their contract is up, and they are courted by many others, including Clear Channel, who supposedly offers them the opportunity to move to mornings and go against Stern. O&A negotiate with Infinity. There are 2 main issues besides money: Syndication, and the gag order. These are deal breaking issues. The new contract is signed, and both clauses are included in the O&A contract; they get syndicated, and they can talk about anything. O&A do not start bashing stern; Opie gives a clear history, and says Howard has been good radio, but they resent being called clones, and being stifled. In August, there was the MTV music awards (or it could have been VH1 videos - same difference). O&A are invited, but sit in upper deck with the riff raff. Stern gets invited into Viacom private party with big wigs that O&A are not allowed into. Now we are in October. O&A are getting good publicity, and someone mentions it on Stern's show. He wiggs out and keeps giving the clones crap, never actually mentioning them. Someone calls O&A to discuss; all of a sudden Stern's name is being dumped out again. It seems that even though it is in their contract that they can talk about whomever they want, they are being stifled again. This was a brief ? ;), fairly (though not completely) accurate history lesson. To sum up, Stern hates quality competition, O&A don't hate Stern, they just hate being silenced.  | ||||
| PeterDragon | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 11:21 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Fandick, I got so caught up in this that I started my response before you posted. Thankfully, you remembered a few incidents that I left out, as you were more succinct. Good job. | ||||
| FANDICK | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 12:08 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00 | Its cool Pete, I forgot about all the behind the scenes stuff like guest blacklisting, trying to supress O&A from doing certain bits, and the no compete clause. I think we covered most everything. "Its 106 miles to Chicago, we got a half a tank a gas, half a pack a cigarettes, its dark, and we're wearing sunglasses..." "HIT IT!" O & A Armored Division Sgt. Filzy CO This message was edited by FANDICK on 11-30-01 @ 12:12 PM | ||||
| ste | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 5:17 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | Why don't you guys open your eyes and realize that O&A do afternoon radio, Stern does morning, therefore, there is no feud. Until o&a grow the balls and move to mornings, there will continue to be no feud, simple as that!!! ste | ||||
| JackDan1974 | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 6:15 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jul. 01 | quote: ste, Why don't you lend them your balls since you’re obviously someones bitch, and don't need yours!  This message was edited by JackDan1974 on 11-30-01 @ 6:20 PM | ||||
| Blake Karrington | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 6:25 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jul. 01 | quote: From Marksfriggin.com - "The phone caller also brought up something Imus had said about some imitators (Opie and Anthony) that are employed by the same company Howard is and how Howard made them stop talking about him for a while. Howard said that the company was going crazy with these Howard Stern clones and he had to do something about it when they did something to him. He still remains quiet about the whole thing but they weren't allowed to mention his name while they were on the air... that was until they signed their new 3 year contract." He doesnt go into it deeply, but he pretty much admits it. It should also be said that Howard has kind of given O&A props in his own twisted, self-serving way. He said something like "I listen to these clones sometimes and Ill think 'Hey, this is really funny' but then I realize that I did the same bit 10 years ago." Im paraphrasing, but thats the main idea. This message was edited by Blake Karrington on 11-30-01 @ 6:37 PM | ||||
| NASA | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 6:48 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Sep. 01 | He said something like "These people are doing such a good job at doing my bits that they're actually funnier than the way I remember it" a while back. I remember Anthony responded to when Howard said "Opie and Anthony disturb me" by saying "It feels so good to disturb people that way."  GodBlessAmerica. | ||||
| slap nut | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 6:58 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | Ste more money& more cities in afternoon or less money, less cities in the morning. If O&A could go to Monings with Infinity they would do it in a heartbeat. Clear Channel did offer them a morning spot, but the Infinity deal was much better more $$$, and many more cities (about twice them amount they would of had with CC) | ||||
| ste | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 8:41 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: You sound(or post) disturbingly like a certain fun SFN member I know and love!!! Oh yeah and as for Howard giving o&a credit, he did, I remember him saying that they do his bits from 10 years ago and he laughs because they actually do it good... Howard knows what's funny, to bad o&a don't know who the thank for their careers!!! ste This message was edited by ste on 11-30-01 @ 8:46 PM | ||||
| metalfan1 | posted on 11-30-2001 @ 10:21 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Oct. 01 | I like o and a and howard. What was the concert that they mentioned before howard? And why would howard want o and a thrown out of the press conference for sun of the beach, when they weren't even that big yet. I also have only heard the names opie and anthony mentioned once, by a caller. | ||||
| FANDICK | posted on 12-01-2001 @ 1:19 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00 | As usual Ste=uninformed. Howard has a no compete clause in his contract that PROHIBITS O&A, or any other Infinity show of the same format, to compete against him in the morning. Also, O&A HAVE thanked Howard for pioneering this type of radio. They even did it on television! Please do SOME research to back up your stupid opinions, you dult. P.S. Sorry about MY misinformation. I never heard Howard even acknowledge the gag order. It STILL took him a long time to even mention it. And Ste is STILL a braying jackass. Thank you. "Its 106 miles to Chicago, we got a half a tank a gas, half a pack a cigarettes, its dark, and we're wearing sunglasses..." "HIT IT!" O & A Armored Division Sgt. Filzy CO This message was edited by FANDICK on 12-1-01 @ 1:30 AM | ||||
| ste | posted on 12-01-2001 @ 7:46 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: Hey stupid, read and learn... Howard has a no compete clause in his contract? Wrong dummy, Infinity just doesn't want to take Howard's ratings away, why would they? Stupid, Use you're brain every once and awhile, I'm sure you have one and as for o&a going to mornings, It has absolutely nothing to do with infinity, they coud've signed with clear channel but they know Howard would hand them their own asses, O&A are pretty smart, unlike you... A misinformed moron!!! ste | ||||
| PeterDragon | posted on 12-01-2001 @ 8:03 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | metalfan1, the concert was an STP concert. WXRK had been promoting that Stern would announce a surprise concert. O&A had gone to LA for a WWF event, and happened to fly back with some members of STP (don't remember who). It seems they talked during the flight, and O&A found out what it was. Just to tweak WXRK, they "broke" the story on air the night before. quote: Good question - that's kinda the point. He threw them out before they even had a chance to do anything. Ste- saying that it is infinity and not Stern that had no-compete clause is not adding much. Stern is still the 500 pound gorilla who gets advertising revenue for infinity. However, Stern is the only one who gets this treatment. If O&A were nothing, or if Stern was truly king, it wouldn't matter what was put on in the morning at WNEW. O&A stayed with infinity in afternoons rather than go to mornings to compete with howard simply because it was in their best interest. Unlike Howard, they had no axe to grind, and as long as they get freedom to say what they want (which they currently are not), they are content with afternoons. Infinity gives them better syndication than clear channel would, especially in Boston, which was important to them. | ||||
| slap nut | posted on 12-01-2001 @ 11:42 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | STE Infinity offered them a better deal than Clear Channel thats why they chose to stay with Infinity. O&A got 22 markets with the Infinity deal, the Clear Channel offer was about half of that. Also Clear Channel could not get them on in Boston, which is something O&A wanted. The ONLY reason why O&A resinged with Infinity is they gave O&A a better deal than what was offered to them by Clear Channel | ||||
| Enigma Sig Pics of HOT CHICKS and an SU Feed... will wonders never cease? | posted on 12-02-2001 @ 1:39 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Nov. 00 | quote: About a year ago, Cindy Margolis' agent Neil Cerruci called in to defend his client as the most downloaded woman on the internet against Danni Ashe. For some reason Neil brought up the fact that Howard never talks about Opie & Anthony. This was the only time I can remember that O&A's names were heard on Stern. There have been many times when callers would say something and Howard would dump out of them and say, "why don't you just listen to them then". One time in particular was when Howard had an expert on the movie "The Godfather" and he was actually taking more than three calls in a row for a change. Every other caller was dumped out on because they were trying to be the first to get O&A's names on Stern. The guy is just a pussy who is only in favor of free speech when it is lining his pockets.  O&A bit of the day The Uncomfortable Sounds of Stephen Baldwin | ||||
| Cunt-Twat I'm not a Cockblocker, I'm a COCKSUCKER! | posted on 12-02-2001 @ 1:43 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote:just for the record, it was z100, not k-rock!! ============================== Remember-Laughter heals. | ||||
| Enigma Sig Pics of HOT CHICKS and an SU Feed... will wonders never cease? | posted on 12-02-2001 @ 1:56 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Nov. 00 | And wasn't Ecstasy was also mentioned? O&A bit of the day The Uncomfortable Sounds of Stephen Baldwin | ||||
| Cunt-Twat I'm not a Cockblocker, I'm a COCKSUCKER! | posted on 12-02-2001 @ 2:02 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | quote:i don't think so, but it's not to say that it wasn't!! i remember them saying that she was really drunk and needed her stomach pumped at st vincent's. ============================== Remember-Laughter heals. | ||||
| Cunt-Twat I'm not a Cockblocker, I'm a COCKSUCKER! | posted on 12-02-2001 @ 2:02 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | god - damn dial up, sorry. ============================== Remember-Laughter heals. This message was edited by Cunt-Twat on 12-2-01 @ 2:05 AM | ||||
| FANDICK | posted on 12-03-2001 @ 11:06 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00 | I thought it was in HIS contract, not Infinity's. But watch this Ste...I was wrong! See how easy that was! At least its not a constant with me. And can somebody please explain that whole contract thing. Either way, they're not going to change companies just to go against Howard. Their deal with Infinity was way better. And even if this contract thing didn't come into play, Howard would FREAK if they put them on in the morning. He'd throw a fit like he did with the SOTB press conference and the whole gag order thing...PUSSY! He DOES still make more in advertisements and overall revenue. Infinity knows they have to keep them both happy. "Its 106 miles to Chicago, we got a half a tank a gas, half a pack a cigarettes, its dark, and we're wearing sunglasses..." "HIT IT!" O & A Armored Division Sgt. Filzy CO This message was edited by FANDICK on 12-3-01 @ 11:25 AM | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 12-03-2001 @ 4:41 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Actually, ste is wrong. Sorry ste, but your big hooknose pussy of a hero DOES have a no-compete clause written into his now-year-old $100M contract. That bit of his contract states that Infinity is not allowed to put any shock-jock genre shows on an Infinity station in the same market and at the same time as Howard's show. I don't care how much you love the guy, or how much of his spunk you'd love to swallow, but check on some facts first. Don't say that O&A or Infinity are simply afraid of Howard. The fact is, Howard is ten times more afraid of O&A.  "Miracles and lucky charms made the girl of my dreams the girl in my arms." - Dr. Frank | ||||
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