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Froy
King Shit
*board owner*

posted on 03-24-2002 @ 8:37 PM      
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Registered: Feb. 01
We have been discussing and debating the existence of a mod leak for way too long right now. And thus far nobody has ever stepped forward and admitting to speaking of BTS matters in public. Bits and pieces have filtered in from time to time, but never have we been able to say with 100% certainty who the actual leak was. And until recently, I myself still remained skeptical.

This is one of the most sensitive and difficult matters to discuss back here. It's not something I ever wanted to bring up, or to have to act upon, but as we move towards change, something must be done.

Right now, I have been led to believe that the leak is Eddie, that Gonzostyle has in the past and has recently discussed in public what we had taken to be private.

I don't want a lynching here, and I am not yet decided on what must be done. I know it's shocking to some of you, but remember, this isn't personal. This iss purely about site safety and integrity, and that's how it should be dealt with.

I think it's only fair to have a calm and normal discussion about this here. And nobody should respond to this thread until GS has had the chance to speak for himself.


I believe in the Faith... that can save me.
I believe in the hope and I pray...
That someday it may raise me... above these badlands

Over The Limit


This message was edited by Froy on 3-24-02 @ 8:53 PM
ThusThen
King Kong Ain't Got Shit On Me.
posted on 03-25-2002 @ 4:11 PM      
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Registered: Aug. 00
I won't even defend myself, I will be honest right now. I truthfully am just fuckin tired of the bullshit. Anthony deleting me, now can I assume it was you demoding me all this time? I will not quit, I won't give anyone the satisfaction. But I won't even defend myself on this issue cause I really am physically sick right now that I'd even be accused.

Do what you fuckin want dude.

ThusThen
King Kong Ain't Got Shit On Me.
posted on 03-25-2002 @ 4:18 PM      
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Registered: Aug. 00
Funny how for almost a year we've been discussing this issue and I always pressed it more than anyone. You never got involved whenever something like a status was fucked with or when afrika got unbanned. Funny how NOW you actually name someone, it smells pretty fuckin rotten to me. I'm really just you know, let me be deleted, demoded, but to sit here and question me on my fuckin loyalty fuckin hurts dude. I defended this board even after I was deleted and tried my best to take the blame off the board and you.

I'd like to see some proof maybe accusations before I even think of defending myself.

Froy
King Shit
*board owner*

posted on 03-25-2002 @ 4:19 PM      
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Registered: Feb. 01
First of all, if I wanted to bring this up, why would I do it now of all times? And why would I not just leave you demodded?

I didn't demod you either time, and in fact, both times it was I who remodded you. I have no clue what's going on with your access levels. And I was content to let it go, until Face brought up the last incident. There couldn't be a worse time for something like this to happen.

Like I said, PB named you, I have a copy of the IM. And after discussing the latest leak, I believe my suspicions.


I believe in the Faith... that can save me.
I believe in the hope and I pray...
That someday it may raise me... above these badlands

Over The Limit
Faceman
...And now the battle between us and them has begun.

JYD-4-LIFE.

posted on 03-25-2002 @ 4:20 PM      
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Registered: May. 00
Ok since I started this, kind of, I'll bring it up from the other thread. In the oa.com thread on CDIH, Sean went off on FTL for his comments about sean and maynard and how oa.com was better because they left. Those comments were made in bts during the original flock thread. Now we can assume someone told sean about the comments. Now I'm not accusing anyone, I just brought it to light, since we were doing so good with the new attitude thing, to fall back into the old ways pissed me off.



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Sometimes our choices are made for us.
And sometimes we have no choice at all.

SLASH
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posted on 03-25-2002 @ 4:31 PM      
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Registered: Aug. 00
Out of all the Mods that were mods when the original flock thread existed, we have...

GonzoStyle
FN Moron
Joey BigArms
virgingrrl
Buttmunch
Lord Magus
SLASH
faceman
FollowThisLogic
Fez

Out of all of those...

GonzoStyle
FN Moron
virgingrrl
Buttmunch
Lord Magus
SLASH
faceman
FollowThisLogic
Fez

are members of CDIH.

FTL was the one called on for what he said.

That leaves...

GonzoStyle
FN Moron
virgingrrl
Buttmunch
Lord Magus
SLASH
faceman
Fez

I know I didn't say anything, and facey brought it up originally.

This further narrows the list.

I believe that some of us thought of Gooch as a possible leak at one point or another, but it can't be him now.

Now we have this announcement of PB's testimony or whatever.

What about PB's accusations? What exactly did she say?




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I think it all started with the Declaration of Independence -- the idea that we had the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That pursuit is what took America from the revolution to the computer age in 200 years. But the progress has come at a price. The obvious being the people that were exploited to make it possible; the not so obvious being us, the first group of people that were given no obvious frontiers to conquer. We hear stories that about the good old days that don't seem to apply anymore. It's a generation gap that leaves us without role models. But the bright side is that without role models, there are no roles. Maybe that's what the 60s were all about -- getting rid of the roles. But what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, the choices become overwhelming. Sometimes it just makes everything feel hopeless. So we destroy our bodies in the search of an ideal. Try to salvage relationships that don't work. We feel we must do something, instead of doing something that we feel. It is the prison of self-imposed momentum, and the sad part is that we get used to it. It reminds me of a song I heard the other day. It's called "The Going Nowhere Fast." But the people I have met here have shown me another side of Nowhere. They've pointed out the beautiful irony that stagnation makes it easy to stop and smell the roses, if we just let it. What would we be if we had nothing to rebel against? Well we could finally be ourselves, the first group of people who stopped looking for the answers long enough to appreciate the questions. And all we have to do is to make our own Declaration of Independence. We can embrace the right to life and liberty by simply realizing that happiness exists -- not to pursue, but to accept. After that the only challenge would be to make sure with the rest of our lives that we weren't just another fad. I don't know, it's an idea. What do you think?


This message was edited by SLASH on 3-25-02 @ 4:45 PM
ThusThen
King Kong Ain't Got Shit On Me.
posted on 03-25-2002 @ 4:31 PM      
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Registered: Aug. 00
Ohh shit PB named me, wow you fuckin got me dude. Cuff me now cause I am guilty.

I haven't been on CDIH in a few days I didn't see the thread. I will say that seans been pissed at FTL for a while now cause of comments he heard, not from me and I truthfully do not know who. FTL said that he was not gonna be coming to CDIH parties cause parties are what ruined the boards and sean was pissed cause FTL goes to Bar 9's and shit and he took that as FTL trying to bash CDIH. Maynard i fuckin despise and he'll fuckin go with the prevailing winds. I am not bashing sean nor CDIH since he is my friend, I am just trying to say how things could have come about.

I also been hearing so much shit, especially from Alkey let's not forget he was in BTS as well. Let's not forget FN Moron actually made PB a fuckin mod, even if he says for 2 minutes still she could have gone into BTS. I feel like shit even defending myself but, you seemed so fuckin sure you had me cause of PB.

Look at the fuckin chaos we been in, It coulda been alkey, it coulda been when PB was made a mod. I heard from people who I never even spoke to tell me about BTS shit to try and get conformation. So believe me if you want to or not, that is all I have to say.

All I am saying is that it seems fishy to me that after I was usually the one to bring subjects like this up and never once did you get involved let alone name a name. But after I piss you off on OTL, I was the straw that broke Anthony's back so to speak, and other things. Makes me wonder is all...

But hey it all lies with you, but I will not quit I will tell you that now. No fuckin way am I just gonna walk away.


This message was edited by ThusThen on 3-25-02 @ 4:35 PM
Joey BigArms
I Need An Old Priest And A Young Priest
posted on 03-25-2002 @ 4:35 PM      
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Registered: Oct. 00
quote:

Let's not forget FN Moron actually made PB a fuckin mod

I am sorry... did I read that correctly?


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ThusThen
King Kong Ain't Got Shit On Me.
posted on 03-25-2002 @ 4:37 PM      
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Registered: Aug. 00
quote:

Like I said, PB named you, I have a copy of the IM. And after discussing the latest leak, I believe my suspicions.



Most of the mods knew anyway, sorry rodney I didn't mean to put you in the spotlight. But after that senetnce from froy, which made me wanna vomit. I had to bring that point up along with Alkey these people could have read BTS. It wouldn't be hard for me to even believe it could have been someone else trying to get me demoded what the fuck do I know at this point?

Bottom line I say no, I may have said little items like when we were getting rid of adoption I may have mentioned that. But never major things, I barely talk to any of you in IMs let alone the members as of the last 6 months.

FollowThisLogic
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The man with the plan.
posted on 03-25-2002 @ 4:37 PM      
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Registered: Oct. 00
The party thing was a long time ago. And if Sean's pissed about that, it's fuckin ridiculous. The issue I had wasn't that I hate parties.... it's that CDIH was SUPPOSED to be anti-party. It was a site of people who said parties ruined OA.com, and then they go off and have a party.

Anyway, Sean has shown respect for me since then... it has not been until RECENTLY that he bashed me. And he did say something to the effect of "you think it's good that we left"... which I don't think he'd just ASSUME because of my party comment.

I'm not making a stab at ya, just clarifying the shit that involves me.

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Froy
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posted on 03-25-2002 @ 4:41 PM      
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If I wanted to remove you I would have just done it. I wouldn't have remodded you the first time when you were deleted.

I am trying to make this a calm discussion, if I wanted to lynch you I could easily have done so.


I believe in the Faith... that can save me.
I believe in the hope and I pray...
That someday it may raise me... above these badlands

Over The Limit
ThusThen
King Kong Ain't Got Shit On Me.
posted on 03-25-2002 @ 4:42 PM      
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Registered: Aug. 00
Hey I'm not defending it nor trying to explain it, I am just as froy said "defending" myself.

But I'm done, read me the verdict, I won't be surprised anymore after what's gone down this last week.

ThusThen
King Kong Ain't Got Shit On Me.
posted on 03-25-2002 @ 4:45 PM      
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Registered: Aug. 00
quote:

if I wanted to lynch you I could easily have done so.



Wow dude...

EDIT** One thing I'd like to know is, when did PB name me? Was it recently or when she was getting banned and the whole strawberry thing and where she blamed me for the drama in her life?

Ok well I stated my case, I'm done do what you want now.



This message was edited by ThusThen on 3-25-02 @ 4:50 PM
Faceman
...And now the battle between us and them has begun.

JYD-4-LIFE.

posted on 03-25-2002 @ 4:46 PM      
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Registered: May. 00
ok lets just relax here. No one is starting a lynch mob here. There was a accusation made by PB which I don't think anybody alone believes. But with that already on people's minds and the fact that sean made his comment, and you are a known good friend of sean, certain assumptions are going to be made. If you can't see that, I can't help you gonzo. You're acting like there is no way in hell that these things have reached you, but if you look at it from an outside perspective, hey it could happen. I know better than anyone how loyal you are to oa.com. You've been here a hell of a long time, and I don't think you would hurt the site with what you would say. Being a good friend of sean, do I think you would you tell him what people think about him, yeah I do. Other things board related, no not really. If you haven't done it yet, I don't think you would. And that's my stance



Sometimes we can choose the path we follow.
Sometimes our choices are made for us.
And sometimes we have no choice at all.

ThusThen
King Kong Ain't Got Shit On Me.
posted on 03-25-2002 @ 4:52 PM      
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Registered: Aug. 00
I see your point and I agree. But you know that feeling you get when you know something is right or true and someone says the opposite and you're overwhelemed cause you know what they're saying is false and your pissed cause they won't even believe you. Yet you know you are right, yet you're afraid if you come off to defensive you'll look guilty. That's what I am feeling right now, maybe I should just step away and let you all discuss it.

I do honestly see your point, yes sean and I are close friends so if I was on the otherside, i would suspect me first. A lot of us talk to sean, even froy admited it in BTS before. But i talk to sean 4 times a week atleast so yes I understand.

Sorry if I got overly pissy but it just came as a fuckin shock.

I won't be posting anymore tonight, I have to go home in an hour anyway.

quote:

You're acting like there is no way in hell that these things have reached you


I didn't mean to come off like that, what I meant to get across is that in the last almost 6 months now I have been on AIM maybe once in the evening. And I rarely ever sign on anymore cause of work. I was trying to get across that I do not talk to many people anymore. When I was deleted I got a ton of IMs when I signed on and also e-mails but in the last 6 months I mostly have talked to a few of you and some regs. But yes it all comes back to I talk to Sean the most.


This message was edited by ThusThen on 3-25-02 @ 4:59 PM
Froy
King Shit
*board owner*

posted on 03-25-2002 @ 4:55 PM      
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Registered: Feb. 01
I didnt bring up the PB episode, because i took it with a grain of salt. Though it was clear you had spoken to her, it was impossible to determine how much was leaked, and whether it was even an issue. But after Face's thread and getting the thoughts of several people, it seemed to confirm my suspicions.

I'll quote several passages...

Spirit52900: eddie started a thread about people having problems with him...he called out froy and Joey....
Spirit52900: Eddie had a fight with IAMANTHONY about a rude commrnt made to Roger..Ant wanted Eddie banned
Spirit52900: Eddie apologized a hundred times
Spirit52900: he was very upset about it
Spirit52900: the anthony fight was a few months ago,,,he didn't say but he told me about it a few weeks before we started fighting


Spirit52900: This is what happened.....Eddie told me about this and it gave me the idea to email Joey and tell him what I thought. I mentioned Eddie's name in the email but no specifics...I said the same thing to one other person but did not mention BTS just that eddie told me he was having problems with people and he was trying to work them out and it gave me the idea
i rmeember eddie being hard on you at bar9 (teabagging comment)...did he have any IM conversation after with you?
Spirit52900: no...email


It goes on from there about other things you have said about other mods, but that's not the issue.


I believe in the Faith... that can save me.
I believe in the hope and I pray...
That someday it may raise me... above these badlands

Over The Limit
SLASH
Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC
STRIKE 3
(I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans)
posted on 03-25-2002 @ 4:57 PM      
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This is the first time I am hearing about Moron making PB a mod in BTS.. but..

OK, FN Moron making PB a mod, and Alkey becoming a mod by accident, in no way affects a thread that was up for 2 or three days a week or so ago.

I just don't like hearing and reading anywhere else than in BTS, things they were meant to be BTS ONLY.

The comments in the recent thread in question comes from the recent BTS thread that has been deleted.



AIM: SmarterChild

Write To Me Here

I think it all started with the Declaration of Independence -- the idea that we had the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That pursuit is what took America from the revolution to the computer age in 200 years. But the progress has come at a price. The obvious being the people that were exploited to make it possible; the not so obvious being us, the first group of people that were given no obvious frontiers to conquer. We hear stories that about the good old days that don't seem to apply anymore. It's a generation gap that leaves us without role models. But the bright side is that without role models, there are no roles. Maybe that's what the 60s were all about -- getting rid of the roles. But what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, the choices become overwhelming. Sometimes it just makes everything feel hopeless. So we destroy our bodies in the search of an ideal. Try to salvage relationships that don't work. We feel we must do something, instead of doing something that we feel. It is the prison of self-imposed momentum, and the sad part is that we get used to it. It reminds me of a song I heard the other day. It's called "The Going Nowhere Fast." But the people I have met here have shown me another side of Nowhere. They've pointed out the beautiful irony that stagnation makes it easy to stop and smell the roses, if we just let it. What would we be if we had nothing to rebel against? Well we could finally be ourselves, the first group of people who stopped looking for the answers long enough to appreciate the questions. And all we have to do is to make our own Declaration of Independence. We can embrace the right to life and liberty by simply realizing that happiness exists -- not to pursue, but to accept. After that the only challenge would be to make sure with the rest of our lives that we weren't just another fad. I don't know, it's an idea. What do you think?



ThusThen
King Kong Ain't Got Shit On Me.
posted on 03-25-2002 @ 5:04 PM      
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Registered: Aug. 00
I never realized that was a BTS problem, Ant edited my post on the board and I poked fun at it in that thread. It was a GD discussion, I never honestly remember calling out Joey & Froy in BTS but then again Strawberry claimed I 'made froy' and who knows I truthfully don't even know what to say anymore.



This message was edited by ThusThen on 3-25-02 @ 5:07 PM
ThusThen
King Kong Ain't Got Shit On Me.
posted on 03-25-2002 @ 5:08 PM      
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Registered: Aug. 00
quote:

OK, FN Moron making PB a mod, and Alkey becoming a mod by accident, in no way affects a thread that was up for 2 or three days a week or so ago.



I honestly could say sooooo much here but I am not going to implicate other mods who tell their non-mod friends shit that goes on in BTS. Seph would always tell me himself that so many non-mods knew more than mods. How come when alkey became a mod, non-mods knew more than me. I had to hear from CDIH what had happened.

I am once again not saying that there is no way it could have been me, so don't mistake it for that.

I really do honestly want other people's opinions, you all wanted a vote well let's have a vote. Come on I have to get more consideration than the PB thread, lol.


This message was edited by ThusThen on 3-25-02 @ 5:17 PM
ThusThen
King Kong Ain't Got Shit On Me.
posted on 03-25-2002 @ 5:23 PM      
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Registered: Aug. 00
Ok I swear i am leaving now, lol.

But before I go, let me ask this favor since I have been away this weekend and I am just going through a lot of shit in my personal life. I am actually lost as to what was actually said on CDIH by sean. So if someone could find and post here what was said I'd appreciate since I have not seen the post, so I can see what was actually said. This way it will be easier to determine things. Cause I just went on CDIH and I can't find it, I tried a search but he's got too many posts.



This message was edited by ThusThen on 3-25-02 @ 5:26 PM
SLASH
Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC
STRIKE 3
(I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans)
posted on 03-25-2002 @ 5:34 PM      
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Registered: Aug. 00
quote:

quote:

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OK, FN Moron making PB a mod, and Alkey becoming a mod by accident, in no way affects a thread that was up for 2 or three days a week or so ago.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



I honestly could say sooooo much here but I am not going to implicate other mods who tell their non-mod friends shit that goes on in BTS. Seph would always tell me himself that so many non-mods knew more than mods. How come when alkey became a mod, non-mods knew more than me. I had to hear from CDIH what had happened.


I was just referring to the Flock thread -- pre Flock being made mod, that was up for 2-3 days, no more, no less.

PB nor Alkey were temporary mods at the time that thread existed.

As far as implicating other mods who tell their non-mod friends BTS info, Seph, nor any non-mod, in good faith, can make those accusations about me, whatsoever.

I would also like to say, right here and now, that I AM NOT ACCUSING SEPH OF NAMING ME.

I just wanted to be clear on those couple-few issues.



AIM: SmarterChild

Write To Me Here

I think it all started with the Declaration of Independence -- the idea that we had the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That pursuit is what took America from the revolution to the computer age in 200 years. But the progress has come at a price. The obvious being the people that were exploited to make it possible; the not so obvious being us, the first group of people that were given no obvious frontiers to conquer. We hear stories that about the good old days that don't seem to apply anymore. It's a generation gap that leaves us without role models. But the bright side is that without role models, there are no roles. Maybe that's what the 60s were all about -- getting rid of the roles. But what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, the choices become overwhelming. Sometimes it just makes everything feel hopeless. So we destroy our bodies in the search of an ideal. Try to salvage relationships that don't work. We feel we must do something, instead of doing something that we feel. It is the prison of self-imposed momentum, and the sad part is that we get used to it. It reminds me of a song I heard the other day. It's called "The Going Nowhere Fast." But the people I have met here have shown me another side of Nowhere. They've pointed out the beautiful irony that stagnation makes it easy to stop and smell the roses, if we just let it. What would we be if we had nothing to rebel against? Well we could finally be ourselves, the first group of people who stopped looking for the answers long enough to appreciate the questions. And all we have to do is to make our own Declaration of Independence. We can embrace the right to life and liberty by simply realizing that happiness exists -- not to pursue, but to accept. After that the only challenge would be to make sure with the rest of our lives that we weren't just another fad. I don't know, it's an idea. What do you think?



ThusThen
King Kong Ain't Got Shit On Me.
posted on 03-25-2002 @ 5:56 PM      
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Registered: Aug. 00
I will say that I can be fuckin sure that slash is not the leak cause several former mods and regs have told me that not for all the gold in fort knox would slash even mention the slightest shit from what goes on here. Nor would he eever betray a trust, he is someone I can know for 100% is not a leak. I didn't mean to make it sound like that.

What I meant by seph was when he was a MOD HERE, not like last week. But when he was a mod here he told me how amazed he was at the amount of non-mods who knew BTS shit.


This message was edited by ThusThen on 3-25-02 @ 5:58 PM
Froy
King Shit
*board owner*

posted on 03-25-2002 @ 7:22 PM      
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Registered: Feb. 01
I dont know what to do. I will be completely honest, I know Slash has always said he was uncomfortable about what was posted here being leaked. And never before until this have I truly worried.

I'm sorry, but I do not trust you.

You can say this is me trying to make some coverup, but again, I never needed one, I could have just left you unmoderated from the beginning.

This has nothing to do with how I feel about you personally, or what has happened between you & Anthony. This is purely about the security of the site.

I have been thinking this over for days. And I have discussed it with a few people. At a time like this it is more crucial than ever that the mods be able to trust each other and the privacy of what is said back here. I'm sorry, but I think the best thing for the site would be for you to step down.


I believe in the Faith... that can save me.
I believe in the hope and I pray...
That someday it may raise me... above these badlands

Over The Limit


This message was edited by Froy on 3-25-02 @ 7:30 PM
Fez
The sky is blue
posted on 03-25-2002 @ 7:39 PM      
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Registered: Oct. 00
I know its getting old, but I swear on my mother's life that I haven't leaked anything (at least not recently, and probably not ever but I only want to swear on recent history which I can remember). I'm hardly ever on AIM and the last three convos I've had in the past few months have only been briefly with Gooch Slash and then Froy today in that order.


However, I do stick with the theory that some members are able to piece together things (inside jokes among us posted outside BTS, insinuations, etc). While I’m sure some things have been leaked, I think back to my days a regular member and I was (as I later confirmed as a mod) able to figure out a lot of what was going on back here.


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posted on 03-25-2002 @ 8:44 PM      
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quote:

I think back to my days a regular member and I was (as I later confirmed as a mod) able to figure out a lot of what was going on back here.
I agree with this... it is rather easy at times... most of the facts are easy enough to figure out in most cases...it's just subtle details that are harder to figure out, but the general idea is there...







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