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TheGooch Mullet Master Yo Gooch, Moron here... how's that for some fucked up shit... Fez is giving you status... Karma sucks, huh?	posted on 09-12-2001 @ 4:09 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00	Anti-Attack Feds Push Carnivore By Declan McCullagh 2:00 a.m. Sep. 12, 2001 PDT WASHINGTON -- Federal police are reportedly increasing Internet surveillance after Tuesday's deadly attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Just hours after three airplanes smashed into the buildings in what some U.S. legislators have dubbed a second Pearl Harbor, FBI agents began to visit Web-based, e-mail firms and network providers, according to engineers at those companies who spoke on condition of anonymity. An administrator at one major network service provider said that FBI agents showed up at his workplace on Tuesday "with a couple of Carnivores, requesting permission to place them in our core, along with offers to actually pay for circuits and costs." The person declined to say for publication what the provider's response was, "but a lot of people" at other firms were quietly going along with the FBI's request. "I know that they are getting a lot of 'OKs' because they made it a point to mention that they would only be covering our core for a few days, while their 'main boxes were being set up at the Tier 1 carriers' -- scary," the engineer said. The FBI's controversial Carnivore spy system, which has been renamed DCS1000, is a specially configured Windows computer designed to sit on an Internet provider's network and monitor electronic communications. To retrieve the stored data, an agent stops by to pick up a removable hard drive with the information that the Carnivore system was configured to record. Microsoft's Hotmail service has also been the target of increased federal attention, according to an engineer who works there. "Hotmail officials have been receiving calls from the San Francisco FBI office since mid-(Tuesday) morning and are cooperating with their expedited requests for information about a few specific accounts," the person said. "Most of the account names start with the word 'Allah' and contain messages in Arabic." By Tuesday evening, nearly 12 hours after the twin attacks that crippled Manhattan and left Washington deserted by mid-afternoon, it was unclear who was responsible. The Washington Post, citing anonymous government sources, reported that former Saudi businessman Osama bin Laden appears to be the prime suspect. In February, U.S. officials claimed that bin Laden had turned to data-hiding steganography software to conceal communications with his operatives by means of public websites. In Washington, use of data-scrambling encryption software is also frequently mentioned in conjunction with terrorists. "Uncrackable encryption is allowing terrorists Hamas, Hezbollah, al-Qaida and others to communicate about their criminal intentions without fear of outside intrusion," then-FBI Director Louis Freeh told a Senate panel last year. "They're thwarting the efforts of law enforcement to detect, prevent and investigate illegal activities." Those comments, and the prospect of congressional reaction to Tuesday's terrorist attacks, have prompted some civil libertarians to fret about possible domestic regulation of encryption products. A few years ago, one House committee approved a bill that would have banned any encryption product without a back door entrance for the federal government. By Tuesday afternoon, at least one NBC affiliate had interviewed defense expert Jim Dunnigan, who warned that "PGP and Internet encryption" would be blamed for the attacks. "Those of us who value our liberty, even in the face of danger, will need to be vigilant in the days to come," says Thomas Leavitt, an online activist who co-founded Webcom. Other civil libertarians say it's a mistake to believe that the U.S. government will overreact to Tuesday's disasters. Marc Rotenberg of the Electronic Privacy Information Center said he believes that the better approach is to argue that the U.S. must not allow a terrorist attack on our form of open government to succeed. It's too early to tell whether he's right or not, but by late Tuesday, operators of anonymous remailers were already so worried about being conduits for terrorist communications -- or being blamed for the communications, rightly or wrongly -- that they pulled the plug. Operator Len Sassaman said in a post to a remailer-operators list: "I don't want to get caught in the middle of this. I'm sorry. I'm currently unemployed and don't have the resources to defend myself. At this point in time, a free-speech argument will not gain much sympathy with the Feds, judges and general public." Remailers forward messages but remove the originating information, so that the resulting e-mail is anonymized. They customarily don't keep logs, so if the system works as designed, it should be nearly impossible for anyone to find who sent the message.
Fez The sky is blue	posted on 09-12-2001 @ 4:12 PM
O&A Board Veteran Registered: Oct. 00	Good. This can't be a lawless frontier.
Froy King Shit *board owner*	posted on 09-12-2001 @ 4:13 PM
O&A Board Veteran Registered: Feb. 01	This is not something I approve of, it's as bad as passing mail through censors. I think a difficult yet important think for the government to do is to prevent reactionary policies and measures. Is my train in vain, has my soul gone to waste Am I just a victim of, a victim of my lost faith
FeelMyFunBags	posted on 09-12-2001 @ 4:15 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	I heard (this could be a total rumor) that the FBI has all phone lines tapped and that certain words in certain combinations incite them to begin taping your phone call. Something like if you say "Allah and bomb." This could be a total rumor, but I was wondering if anyone knew anything about that. At this point in time, I would gladly give up some of my freedoms for safety. IF the government is going to read my email so be it....although sometimes I have things in there that I may not want people to read, I certainly never have anything that I would worry about the FBI reading. Perhaps we do need more of a police state.
TFEC Coming Soon!!! The Grand Opening of The Junkyard Bar & Grill!	posted on 09-12-2001 @ 4:16 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00	This should come as a shock as no one. I'm willing to bet that ain't the only thing that gets this done to it. Rangers Suck but the Cowboys are worse!!
Fez The sky is blue	posted on 09-12-2001 @ 4:16 PM
O&A Board Veteran Registered: Oct. 00	Yes, but what would happen if it wasn't there?
IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death	posted on 09-12-2001 @ 4:20 PM
O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00	I don't like this. I don't like the idea that they're watching us or reading our mail. This is the first step. This message was edited by IkeaBoy on 9-12-01 @ 4:23 PM
FeelMyFunBags	posted on 09-12-2001 @ 4:25 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	Ikea...I know it seems creepy that they are reading your mail, but in actuality unless you have something to hide (which I assume you don't) there is no reason to worry. I don't think they are going to read full letters etc. if they are pure rambles about your weekend, or your sexual escapades...but someone needs to get these deadly forms of communication before they have an opportunity to become thought out and well executed plans.
IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death	posted on 09-12-2001 @ 4:29 PM
O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00	I know it seems good now. but eventually they will just be looking at your email, seeing what you're writing. Calling you a threat without need. If someone is angry at you and works in the email reading part of the government, you could be PE#1. This message was edited by IkeaBoy on 9-12-01 @ 4:32 PM
TheGooch Mullet Master Yo Gooch, Moron here... how's that for some fucked up shit... Fez is giving you status... Karma sucks, huh?	posted on 09-12-2001 @ 4:30 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00	It's a fineline between overdoing it, and doing something. Can we protect ourselves without destroying the freedoms that we look to protect. I think there are some major issues to be made...and understand both sides...but ultimately, we cannot step on ourselves to protect ourselves as a country.
FeelMyFunBags	posted on 09-12-2001 @ 4:32 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	I agree with protecting the ideals of our founding fathers, and I agree with never destroying what America stands for, because then we would really be letting them win. I do feel that we need to take a serious look at national security, and take more extreme measures to protect ourselves. One person lost is one too many...and the hundreds and thousands of people killed yesterday need to know their deaths will not go unpunished. We also need to do all we can to see to it that this will be the last of these needless deaths....it's bad enough we have kids killing eachother on our streets, but when its no longer safe to go to work....
IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death	posted on 09-12-2001 @ 4:33 PM
O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00	That is major debate. Where is the line between spying on our citizens and keeping the country safe? I am very much for freedom of speech and press so that's where I come from and I just fear that once reading email is implemented, how far will it go and where will it stop?
Sgt. Squeegie	posted on 09-12-2001 @ 4:33 PM
Psychopath Registered: Nov. 00	My guess is that it is going to be a filter similar to what napster was trying to do on their program. It will look for certain words like "bomb" "osama bin laden" "arab" "terrorist" etc etc. If it finds these words it will probably look more in depth and if need be notify the authorities. You really think that with the millions and millions of email messages that get sent out each day that someone or a group of someones is gong to sit and read each and every word you type? I really don't think the government really cares when you send your buddy an email bragging about your date last night. It's all in good taste and I think it will better our security and make America a more safe place. I'm all for this. Tender Loving Care User Formerly Known as wabaker
Sir Okonkwo	posted on 09-12-2001 @ 4:34 PM
Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01	I'm just as angry as everyone else, but Big Brother is NOT the answer. This country should continue to stand for freedom, both personally and politically. Irrational reactionary measures against citizens will only achieve what these hatemongers wanted in the first place, to partially erode the freedom that we, as Americans, take for granted. I can understand how people can feel vulnerable and exposed now, but do you really want to sacrifice your rights as an American, as a free person, for a false sense of security? 9-11-2001 The worst day in American history
FeelMyFunBags	posted on 09-12-2001 @ 4:40 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	Sgt. I doubt that these terrorists are dumb enough to send out emails that say all those key words. I would imagine they would use code...therefore the filter wouldnt work so well.
TheGooch Mullet Master Yo Gooch, Moron here... how's that for some fucked up shit... Fez is giving you status... Karma sucks, huh?	posted on 09-12-2001 @ 4:45 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00	excellent point there. FBI has to know that too...they just want it in place anyway...therein lies the problem.
IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death	posted on 09-12-2001 @ 4:51 PM
O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00	That's another good point FMFB. The military knows the use special codes and encryption to send comments. They don't say "Hi Operation Jacity is ....," they use special words or encrypt it in a special way. And once something like this is in place something it's hard to form laws to stop the reading.
FeelMyFunBags	posted on 09-12-2001 @ 5:03 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	Perhaps they can identify certain individuals and just track their correspondences? I know that they can get a search warrant and snoop without having to tell the people they were snooping until after the warrant expires.
Dryblood	posted on 09-12-2001 @ 5:22 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00	I dont think it will be so simple to just do that. Its like what Froy said, "it's as bad as passing mail through censors".
Lgaia	posted on 09-12-2001 @ 5:26 PM
Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00	Talking about the internet, look what someone did, Go to this link::::: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/57/21620.html

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