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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: What are your thoughts now, a month after the attacks? | ||||
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| GonzoStyle | posted on 10-12-2001 @ 1:35 AM |    | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70  | I was discussing this with another member a couple days ago. When this all first went down everyone was posting what we should do. Most of it was just said out of anger as far as what kind of retaliation we should take. Now a month later with our heads a smidge calmer what do you think? Mainly my question is this: In lieu of recent threats made by Bin Laden and he network, and with the taliban now giving him free reign. Plus with the FBI reporting that they are planning another attack, but they do not know what the target(s) are/is. If GOD forbid they attack us again, would you be in favor of dropping the big one on afghanistan? I personally would be for it even though I was against it at first. No matter what horror japan suffered they never ever even though of attacking us again even at the height of the cold war in the 1960's. The afghans are not losing some structural enormaties they have nothing there. it's not like it's a country dripping of an beauty nor evolution. They do not seem to care as of now, but the fear of mass destruction would calm their asses fast. what is your take? Be serious and if you are gonna spew hatred and stereo type do not bother. I am not for killing civilians but we didn't draw first blood, this is self defense.  "These dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people for the people, shall not perish from the earth." -- Abraham Lincoln She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| RapeFantasizer One Chocolate Chip Cookie CUNT ROCKETTE | posted on 10-12-2001 @ 1:49 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 01 | My mother owns a store in a mall, where many Muslims happen to work, and she even has a man from afghanistan working for her. The day this happened this is what he told me. "Bomb those fucks! Anyone who has half a brain was out of there a long time ago, because Bin Laden made it clear that everyone was to follow him or face death. Anyone still there agrees with what he did, and should be punished." If he thinks that way, then why shouldn't we? I am totally for bombing them, you're right Gonzo, it will show them we aren't to be messed with. I think at this point, they are laughing at us, knowing they basically got away with what they did. Special thanks to Austin for all the help he gave me. I am proud to have been a newbie of his. Congrats to all my fellow graduates.  | ||||
| Cluster F | posted on 10-12-2001 @ 1:59 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | My feelings are that I want Osama and all the networks taken care of with massive force. It is tricky though, because on one hand, we have to bury these fucks and make sure this never happens again. On the other, we have to keep all of our allies, especially the outer circle of allies, alligned with us. So if we do something that might be considered overly barbaric, some of them might leave us. Unfortunately, we are in a pretty deep hole in that aspect (we are associated with too many of those 2 cent countries), however i know that we will prevail. Objective 2: Root for Braves to exit from playoffs Objective 3: Root for the A's to win the World Series | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 10-12-2001 @ 2:20 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | I agree with you cluster But if we get the backing from all the nato nations i would be all for it. This could take a decade to fully extinguish terrorism but at the same time we may never extinguish it. The cold war lasted 6 decades and all the communist nations we tried to sway are still communist to this day barring russia. Nothing really changed though, and rounding them up or even killing them will not deter any of these maniacs. They are willing to die anyway and it will inspire more terrorists since they will view the ones we kill as Martyrs, but if you make a statement they will never forget that could deter many, plus they would not want to endanger their own families no matter what they say. When you really want to torture or threaten someone, you never threaten their lives, you threaten the lives of their families if you want to crack them. "These dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people for the people, shall not perish from the earth." -- Abraham Lincoln She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| MashedPotatohead NIGGA PLEASE! All the bitches in here are crazy! | posted on 10-12-2001 @ 2:30 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | I recently was able to go down to 'ground-zero' and I feel a sense of loss with quite a bit of anger. Unfortunately, these terrorists work in small groups and are difficult to identify. Short of closing the borders, I hate to say this but more likely that violence will be on our shores once again than not. The thing that is pissing me off is the political bullshit about the issues regarding public safety on airlines. The main holdup in legislation is being held up by some dickhead Republicans. There is talk about making the job of the security of the airports a federal position (which it should be) instead of being manned by minimum wage yokels. Once it becomes a government job, it becomes unionized and these assholes say that most unions lean towards the Democratic party. Why can't they put aside this shit and do something for the people and not worry about themselves. People are too 'loose' with let's just drop the big one and get it over with. That's not the solution - with the amount of money some of these radicals have, they may eventually gain possession of one in the future. I don't want us to be the ones to use these weapons again. If they are used against us, I want us to be the last ones to use them against someone else - all bets are off at that point  | ||||
| Sephiroth | posted on 10-12-2001 @ 2:34 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | In the days after the attack, i did alot of soul-searching. I should have been angry, i should have done alot of things. But in the end, i tried to deny it ever happened. At first i tried to laugh it off. I dont know if that is because of my personality, or because it is a very Irish thing to do. My family jokes at funerals and wakes, i guess it is a coping device or something. We are very sincere in our grief, but trying to make light of tragedies like this saved our sanity at least. I took stock of everything i lost, and still tried to laugh. But i couldnt. For the first 2 weeks after the attack, i didnt even leave my house. Only a few days ago i finally got up and went back to work. I tried to deny everything. The attack, the damage, everything. It finally sunk in after the retaliatory attacks started. The first parts of "Anger" started to sink in. I heard all the stories from Ground Zero, and i just ignored it. Admittingly, it was naive. Just because i choose not to see it doesnt mean it isnt there. But it helped me in some small way. I know im not gonna be the same again, but for a while i thought it could. I lost someone very close to me. But until they found him, I convinced myself he wasnt gone. Again, that was naive. Im finally beginning to deal with it, but i still dont want to. I know my first gut reaction should be "Nuke the fuckers, level the place". But honestly, this whole ordeal left me drained. In some broad sense, i want justice done. Destroy the Al Queda, bring Bin Laden to justice, nuke the place, or just clip Osama himself, it really doesnt make a difference to me. I want something done, but outside that general sentiment i really dont know. I stopped caring about this a long time ago. Before i justified my feeling about eradicating another race of people, i had to justify my own feelings about what i have been thru. Maybe in a month i will feel different, maybe i will jump on the "Lets kill the bastards" bandwagon, maybe i will be level-headed, maybe i will go nuts. I honestly cant say.
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| MashedPotatohead NIGGA PLEASE! All the bitches in here are crazy! | posted on 10-12-2001 @ 2:37 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | In the past, it was easier to identify who the enemies were. NOW - the enemy may live amonst us and they did. The best thing we can do is realize that things will NEVER be the same and not to let our guard down EVER AGAIN. Seph - I know how you felt/feel. For the longest, I thought everything was just a bad dream and I would eventually wake up and everything will be OK. I watched all the coverage but it was as if it were a 'just a show' on TV - it really didn't hit me until I was able to go down there ane view everything. Sometimes I don't want to pick up the paper, because all I keep reading are stories about all the lives lost and the countless families that are affected. I find myself getting upset every once in awhile - but all I can do is THANK all the people who gave their lives trying (and succceeding) in saving numerous lives. | ||||
| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 10-12-2001 @ 4:36 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | I still can't think straight. At least I don't think I can. So maybe that means I do... Seriously, so far, I guess we're doing the right thing. First take out their primary defense with rockets and planes, second take over their cities with ground troops and tanks and guns, third take over their government. Overthrow the Taliban, excute their leaders and any terroristic threat, and create democracy in Afghanistan. They can make consumer products for us, it'll be neat... Dropping nukes on Afghanistan won't solve much, except killing innocent civilians. The terrorists are hiding in bunkers far underground, and neutral countries, and even our own country. Which is why national defense should come FIRST, before international offense... I support Air Marshalls on all flights, domestic and international. I also support the right to bear arms among private citizens. If the 9/11 terrorists could do such massive damage using a few boxcutters, who's to say a poor Mobil trucker isn't next in the line of hijacked-to-tragedy transportation workers? Or an Amtrak driver? Or even an AA pilot?? Of course, since there's no way to be 100% sure where loyalties lie, certain security measures can never be effectively implemented, nor should they. In an honestly free society, there will always be the chance of terrorism. I'd rather live free with that chance, than live secure and regulated... Unfortunately, everything bad that is happening now is built on the ground of organized religion. But that's another discussion...  "My political opinions lean more towards anarchy....The most improper job of any man, even saints, is bossing other men."-J.R.R. Tolkien, The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, 1981 "Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker and Tits"-George Carlin "Now you listen here to me, you horrible little creature"-William Regal to X-Pac | ||||
| WyzeGuy | posted on 10-12-2001 @ 5:03 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | If GOD forbid they attack us again, would you be in favor of dropping the big one on afghanistan? My answer can be found within your very question. If (or should I say when?) they, meaning the terrorist (be them Bin Laden's crew, Humas or an off shoot of the PLO), attack us again, what will bombing Afghanistan accomplish? They're not the ones attacking us. If we nuke them, we must also annihilate Iraq. And Iran. And Saudi Arabia. And Libya. And Yemen. And the Palestinian Authority. And, well, you get the idea. Yes, the Taliban is obviously providing a safe haven for terrorist, but the people of Afganistan are as much a victim of this regime as we are. Bombing them, turning big rocks into little rocks, looks good on TV and does send a message that we mean business, but that should be the extent of it. This war will be won by silent assassins and elite fighting crews, not by blowing up $10.00 tents with $1,000,000.00 missles. Most Americans became aware of this war one month ago today, but it's been waging for quite sometime. Bin Laden makes for a good rallying cry, but even after he's been neutralized, they'll be many, many more enemies to be dealt with. We can't nuke 'em all! And talk of doing so is just plain stupid!! Terrorism is a global threat, it's not restricted to any one Country. We don't have the luxury of hitting them where they live. As we learned on 9/11, they live among us. I think Bush is on the right track. I feel he's gone a little overboard in appeasing th Arab World, but I understand his reasons for doing so. We need to be steadfast in our resolve. Unrelenting, and prepared to do things that we previously thought to be wrong. When fighting the beast, one must be beastly. The no assissination clause needs to be repealed. And we're gonna have to sacrifice some of our civil liberties in order to ensure that law enforcement can weed out the moles and terrorist cells among us. We need to show these monsters that American blood is not cheap. Not by nuking millions of innocent civilians, but rather through swift and deadly justice. Anyway, it's late and I'm babbling, but you asked for thoughts; these are mine! Btw, look up the word lieu when you have a chance ;) This message was edited by WyzeGuy on 10-12-01 @ 6:34 AM | ||||
| crx girl Newbie! vg Y's me ugo girl Limey Mothercocker | posted on 10-12-2001 @ 5:25 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | ok, call me a drunken whore. it's too late, and i haven't read everything in this thread. however, when i was about 10 chernobyl happened, and no livestock in my country was edible. my sister was babysitting me and a lot of what she said was probably alarmist teenage crap. but, the point is, nuclear warfare is still never gonna solve anything. i hope they bomb the shit out of all those terrorist bases, with everything we have, and all the possibly terrorist harbouring countries. but, no nukes, that can only lead to a chain reaction, and while america may be safe just because we're far away, a lot of us have family in closer regions. first there's the bombs then there's nuclear winter, i.e. a big fucking cloud of toxins, next, nuclear summer, no ozone layer, oops, that could be a problem. then finally 20 years from now, a few people emerge from a cave to start over. ok, i realize i'm putting forth a slightly extremist view, but i guess it's a worst case scenario. sometimes i get the feeling that people who live in america feel a bit invincible. my point is, nuclear weapons are only going to lead to world destruction, because these days, who knows who's gottem? and at this point, we have better things than that, don't we?  An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. --Victor Hugo regardless of my status, i am a nice person. no really, i am, i swear;) crack hitler belongs to me :) need me? try: [email protected] | ||||
| The Painter 1/2 a bottle of Jack Daniels... it's a cure-all | posted on 10-12-2001 @ 6:00 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | Nukes are not the answer. Nukes should only be used as a last resort, or to end a situation. It will do neither in this case. This is best handled by stealth. Quick hits, and then gone. Assinations, snipers, and an occasional military strike. Things will happen that we will never hear about. Than, one day you'll say to yourself "what ever happened to that guy", when he's been dead for a year of more. Be vewy, vewy quiet.We're hunting Bin Wadins  | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 10-12-2001 @ 6:29 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | We may not have to drop the big one, lol this sounds far fetched but possible. Afghanistan Bombing Could Cause AIDS Explosion Reuters Oct 12 2001 4:48AM MELBOURNE (Reuters) - The U.S.-led attacks on Afghanistan will eventually disrupt the flow of opium from one of the world's top suppliers and could cause heroin-injecting to surge in neighboring Pakistan, leading to a potential AIDS catastrophe, researchers said on Friday. Heroin prices on the Pakistan-Afghan border plunged after the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington as Afghanistan's opium stocks were unloaded. But the flood of heroin has slowed since U.S. and British warplanes began retaliatory air strikes on Sunday. Researchers attending an international conference in Melbourne said climbing heroin prices could force Pakistani addicts who used to sniff the drug when it was cheap and plentiful to turn to intravenous drug use. "This could be a public health crisis of unimaginable proportions. It is not speculation without foundation," said Alex Wodak of Sydney's St. Vincent's Hospital. Intravenous drug use is one of the major causes of the spread of HIV/AIDS. Nadeem-ur-Rehman, an HIV/AIDS worker and researcher in Pakistan with non-government organization Nai Zindagi (New Life), said there were already signs of a shift to intravenous injecting in the border city of Quetta. NOT IMMUNE Rehman said the prevalence of AIDS in Pakistan was low, at less than one percent of the population. But needle-sharing, the sale of blood to health services, prostitution and unprotected sex left the country vulnerable. "Everything is there. You can't say we are immune because we are a Muslim country," he said. Over 95 percent of the heroin on the streets of Europe originates in the Golden Crescent, the poppy fields on the rugged borderlands of Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran. U.S. officials say Afghanistan in particular has emerged as a major supplier. Rehman said Pakistan was estimated to have 500,000 chronic heroin abusers, about 440,000 of whom inhale the drug in a practice called "Chasing the Dragon." An earlier study in 1993, which he said had probably overstated the numbers, estimated there were three million heroin users in Pakistan. Wodak said an explosion in AIDS in Pakistan would have implications for the whole of Asia. "We have learned that HIV does not follow national boundaries. It is likely if there is a large pool of people who are HIV-positive in Pakistan, you can be sure it will flow into neighboring countries," Wodak said. The two experts were among 70 researchers in Melbourne on Thursday and Friday for the fourth meeting of the Global Research Network on HIV Prevention in Drug Using Populations. Seven million people in the Asia-Pacific region are living with AIDS, or the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) that causes it, representing about 20 percent of the worldwide total, according to U.N. figures. "These dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people for the people, shall not perish from the earth." -- Abraham Lincoln She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| Banana_juice | posted on 10-12-2001 @ 9:33 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Here are some of my thoughts and opinions.. First of all, with us attacking them, I believe in the "eye for an eye" revenge. A lot of people are saying that we are to only go after air strips and terrorist locations in Afghanistan. But look what they did to us. They purposely killed thousands of regular American Civilians. Yes they did crash into the Pentagon, but they also killed thousands of regular workers at the WTC. Most of the people who decided not to flee to Pakistan are probably still in Afghanistan becuase they support Bin Laden, so my opinion is if we bomb and happen to kill innocent Afghan citizens in the process, than that is fine. there are reports that we have killed approx. 150 civilians so far, and I find nothing at all wrong with that. they killed thousands of us.. Also , I feel that right now we are doing the right thing.. We are retalliating in a very good way. Hell, we are even dropping food aid to the ones that fled to Pakistan, which is very civil to us.. However , if they happen to try another terrorist act on us again, then I say all bets are off. No more food aid, and we just bomb Afghanistan even heavier. an ultimatum should be given by the U.S.A saying that if they dont surrender Bin Laden and other terrorist leaders in a certain amount of time, then we will destroy the whole country. I think Bush should use the example of "one bad person spoils it for everyone" so they will have to surrender Bin Laden, or else the whole country of Afghanistan will suffer. Like I said before,the people that have fled already are obviously not supporters of Bin Laden , so they will be safe. To close my babbling, I prey that there is not another terrorist act on us, but if there is, then all bets are off, and we go in even harder .  E-Mail Me special thanks to maynard and grumpy for the sig pic and the help posting it | ||||
| spitfire421 | posted on 10-12-2001 @ 9:58 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | I think my problem may be that I watch too much news right now, I read up on these terrorists and their beliefs...and I'm really scared. I'm afraid this is going to be a full-blown East vs. West thing, our "public relations" war is failing in the MidEast. Most hate us anyway, and us bombing the shit out of Afghanistan is only making it worse (not that I'm against it, it's just a fact). They don't want a Western military force on their land. Government propaganda being spewed out of countries like Iraq are once again making us look like the bad guys, and Westerners are getting terrorized all over there as I type this. A Canadian man and his wife were just shot in Kuwait, to name an example---and look at all we had done for that country! A huge number of Muslims in the Mideast essentially think we got what we deserved for our policies over the years, although the governments are trying to hide it. Bin Ladin is considered a hero to a lot of people, and some do say that their religion justifies what happened. It's this complete uncertainty that scares me the most. If the governments who are "on our side" over there don't keep their people under control, they may revolt. Like in Pakistan, where the whole country is a powder-keg of mob rules- do you know what these people are most proud of? That they have a nuke. They go so far as building replica statues of them in most Pakistani cities; they revere their nuclear weapon. What happens if this gets into the wrong hands? Now if we were to get attacked again, I'm all for bombing the ladin-loving shit outta them, but won't that also add fuel to the fire? They're pissed off that we have US troops like 50 miles or so from Mecca, what will they think when we nuke the whole place? Will we have to make the Middle East one big parking lot to finally get rid of terrorism? They don't care if they die, they're like roaches- they'll always keep coming back. This is not something that will be over after we drop one nuke, this is long-term...and I really can't think of a good solution. (good thing I don't run the country lol) So much uncertainty, nothing I can do about it. I don't know when the next attack in our country will be. I have no control over the situation. So you know what? I'm not going to sit there and be afraid, I'll keep everything in the back of my mind, I'll watch my news, and stilll live my life, smoke my pot, have fun with friends. Cuz if anything happened, I might as well make the most of everything now. (I think this was the longest post I've ever made lol)  We Have Not YetBegun To Fight NEVER FORGET!!! | ||||
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