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knock411	posted on 03-09-2001 @ 1:39 PM
Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00	what do you think about this. I havent really sat and thought if i agree or disagree with this but you read it and tell me what ya think. -------------------------------------------------- 14-Year-Old Florida Boy Gets Life Sentence March 9, 2001 12:16 pm EST FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (Reuters) - A Florida judge sentenced a 14-year-old boy convicted of killing a 6-year-old girl to life in prison on Friday in a case that has stirred controversy over what punishment a child his age should face. Broward County Circuit Judge Joel Lazarus, who had been asked by the defense to either order a retrial for Lionel Tate or reduce the verdict of first-degree murder, declined to do either and ordered the state's mandatory sentence of life in prison without parole. Tate was tried as an adult and convicted by a Broward County jury in January of first-degree murder in the July 28, 1999, death of playmate Tiffany Eunick. In Florida such a conviction carries a mandatory life sentence without parole. Tate's lawyer argued during the trial that the boy, who was 12 at the time of the killing, had been trying out moves on Eunick he had seen performed by professional wrestlers on television, not understanding the damage he could do. But prosecutors said the girl's injuries were far too severe for that to be the case.
Sephiroth	posted on 03-09-2001 @ 1:42 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00	I dont know man. Life without parole for a 14 year old does seem extreme. However, i heard something about a petition being brought before Jeb Bush for a commuted sentence. "why do you cry? You are nothing but a doll"-Sephiroth "Hey, are you 'THE' white guys all the brothers talk about?"- Vos Have any anime questions? E-Mail Me or IM me at AIM: Hitokiri182 Go to foundry Chat, home of NUDE TEEN Chatters
My Turn in the Barrel Being a Minor is a Threat to my Social Life PoseUr i ahve 2 threads at teh top, i feel like maynard	posted on 03-09-2001 @ 1:43 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00	Well, he should get no worse then life in prison, (if not the death penalty) for premeditated murder. I don't care if he was 12, you just don't do shit like that. If you do, then you don't belong on this earth. "Iowa Zach 10 bucks"
Rog2K	posted on 03-09-2001 @ 1:46 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	How was it that I grew up watching wrsetling & doing moves with my friends, yet none of us ever got injured? I'll tell you. Because we have common sense. Even when we thought it was real, we would never ACTUALLY pile drive someone's head into the ground. The kid got what he deserved. AND...his parents should join him. E-F-F-E-C-T! A smooth operator operating correctly This message was edited by Rog2K on 3-9-01 @ 1:49 PM
Mi1o Yambag	posted on 03-09-2001 @ 1:47 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00	I say it serves him right. If you kill someone, and its premeditated, you deserve life. No questions asked. Besides, he deserves it for trying to pass the blame off to pro wrestling. Exactly, Rog. I still do wrestling moves on my friends. But, I'm smart enough to know that if you drive someone's head into the ground, they will most likely get really badly hurt. Even a 12-year-old can realize that. Smoke Weed Everyday This message was edited by Mi1o Yambag on 3-9-01 @ 1:50 PM
knock411	posted on 03-09-2001 @ 1:48 PM
Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00	See the thing Im having trouble with is did he do it to kill her or was he just really playing and didnt know the outcome of such play. I mean they never really said what he actually did to her or decribed her wounds. Im puzzled I mean he is only 14 he has already wasted 2 years for the trial. 12 good years on earth isnt much to have then to be thrown in jail for life thats harsh. But on the other hand If he indeed Intend to do harm or kill then he is a troubled youth and needs help.
Cap'n Fudge	posted on 03-09-2001 @ 1:57 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00	At 14 going to prison is enough of a death sentence. If he is put into general population, he'll be dead within a year. But that won't happen of course. He'll be put into a minimum security prison under constant supervision until he's 18 and then sent to a maximum security "pound him up the ass" prison. Is the sentence too harse? He actively killed someone. The girl didn't die because he left knife out and she fell on it. He beat this girl to death. What's worse, whats a 12 year old doing playing with a 6 year old anyway??? I say make an example of him and make him do his time. Ventriliquist Detective [email protected]
knock411	posted on 03-09-2001 @ 2:10 PM
Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00	Good point Capn fudge.
BannerClicker	posted on 03-09-2001 @ 2:11 PM
Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00	I can't stand how all of a sudden wrestling is the root of all evil. I know this is not what you were asking Knock, but I cant take this shit anymore. All of these watch dog groups want to take wrestling off the air b/c kids are getting hurt doing the moves. Its not wrestling's fault, its the kids fault or their parents. When we were younger we had more common sense then to piledrive a friend as you guys have pointed out. Just like the kid who burned himself imitating the guy from Jackass. When I was thirteen, I knew fire hurt...so I didnt go lighting myself or a friend on fire. Where is the common sense with kids today? I dont understand why things are so different....when i was in school there was never any school shootings either? To answer the original question, I am not sure if life in prison for a 14yr old is the answer but it is hard to comment with knowing the specifics of the situation. I would like to think with some rehabilitation that this kid could turn out all right but that may just be a dream. Sorry I went off on such a long diatribe. Me go sleepy now. "Who is your daddy and what does he do?"
skuttlbut	posted on 03-09-2001 @ 2:18 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: May. 00	all i know is that i had the concept of "right and wrong" beaten into me by my parents at a young age, i think if his parents did the same thing then he might not have killed her... what it all comes down to is the kid fucked up... knowingly or not, he fucked up... and for that he has to pay the price, unfortunately he's 14 and he'll never really know what it's like to be free... for that i feel for him... but he did take a life... so... he gets what he deserves... no mercy.
knock411	posted on 03-09-2001 @ 3:01 PM
Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00	Banner no problem man. Voice your opinion thats what I want to hear.
FoundryMusicDoug	posted on 03-09-2001 @ 3:04 PM
Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00	Anybody who kills, know matter the age, sex, or religion, should be sentenced to life, or death. Visit Foundry/OA Chat!
Doc Smith I Love Anthony Zinni	posted on 03-09-2001 @ 3:12 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00	In today's society, children can not be blamed for anything and our every waking moment is spent keeping them from any kind of harm. All of a sudden, children became WAY too important. We stop discipling them because that would make them too sad. Welcome to the 21st century folks...hope you got a good seat newbieless AOL IM: Gamma1173
Rog2K	posted on 03-09-2001 @ 3:21 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	anyone else notice a trend? Late eighties- stop spanking your kids Late 90's-00's- kids killing each other & not knowing right from wrong. Bring back spanking. It works..... E-F-F-E-C-T! A smooth operator operating correctly
Mi1o Yambag	posted on 03-09-2001 @ 3:28 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00	I totally agree Rog my parents never really subscribed to the whole "no spanking" thing in the late 80s, and I turned out reletively ok. Well, maybe a bad example, but, hey at least I'm not killing anyone. Smoke Weed Everyday
PatCooper	posted on 03-09-2001 @ 3:31 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	The whole wrestling killing is a bunch of crap the the kids attornys thought it up.The girl was killed due to a fractured skull.She was beaten to death.And the boy was 12 at the time.If your 12 and u beat a 6 year old to death you should be put to death yourself.Life in jail is'nt bad enough for him.FRY HIS ASS.
PatCooper	posted on 03-10-2001 @ 9:41 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	Back to the top since the topic was restarted by someone else :)
FeelMyFunBags	posted on 03-10-2001 @ 9:46 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	Personally, I think that the sentence was a tad bit too harsh, because it does not seem to be a premeditated homicide, which is what he was convicted of. He was a 12 year old child, I sincerely doubt that he was practicing wrestling moves with the intent to kill. I know that when my brother was 11 he once tried to put me in the sharp shooter (the move that Bret the Hitman Hart) used, and I almost killed him, but I honestly don't think he knew it was going to hurt me so badly. I think he should be punished severely for taking a life, but to lock up a child for eternity and never give him the chance to be rehabilitated is truly upsetting to me. I also can't help but feel that there should be some blame placed on the parents for leaving a 12 year old and a 6 year old left unattended.
Jon Benet Norton G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. GTA3 Criminal Activity Specialist	posted on 03-10-2001 @ 9:54 PM
Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00	I say let the little bastard rot. I'm sorry but by the age of 12 you should know the difference between right and wrong. If he doesn't then the blame is put o the parents. Parents these don't want to be bothered watching and educating their kids. While this kid was beating this girl to death his mom was sleeping in another room. Parents now feel that all the learning should be done in school. They don't seem to realize that it's their responsibility to teach their kids the difference between whats real and whats fake or entertainment. Lemme put it to you all this way, when I was a kid and I did something out of line I got my ass kicked for it, thus then I never did it again. LESSON LEARNED. This little fuck got what he deserved and his parents should be there with him. Stupid fuckin parents. I need a napskee Check out my other sigs: Visit this Website "The saddest thing in life is wasted talent" -Machiavelli- "Whats a SIG PIC and how do I get one?" Jesus you gotta love utter stupidity.
FeelMyFunBags	posted on 03-10-2001 @ 10:01 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	What exactly did he do? On one hand I hear he was practicing moves, but I also hear that he was beating her. If he was beating her and not just messing around, then he does deserve to do some hard time. By the way...if anyone sees 15 Minutes...it shows what a sick version of justice this country truly does have.
Sniper	posted on 03-10-2001 @ 10:10 PM
Psychopath Registered: Aug. 00	The little girl was 6. The NOT SO LITTLE boy was 12 outweighing her by some 60 pounds. Now, at 12 if I can recall. I played football abd fought with anyone who would DARE TO FUCK WITH me and won &also lost a few. Suppose you are 12 and a big fat kid who gets picked on by everyone else simply because he`s the BIG FAT KID and the other kids,of course, say all of this from a distance because they know he`s a FAT KID and can`t catch them to kick their ass and stick up for himself, His mother is(or was..not sure if she lost her job over this)a COP...Highway Patrol I believe. She may have been the swing-shift or GRAVE YARD shift cop, who probably had an active social life and left the kid to watch TV and play video games as a PARENTAL SUBSTITUTION. SO...he sees all this shit and there`s no ADULT around to supervise and tell him that this is all JUST A BUNCH OF FUN. IT`s NOT REAL!!! So BIG FAT kid makes friends with a 6 year old little girl who is probably as smart as he is and befriends him. ANY 6 YEAR OLD CHILD would look up tp BIG FAT LONELY KID as a TOY. she trusts him and he starts realizing he is her superior,at least physically. He is finally able to dominate someone as he has been dominated by HIS PEERS without understanding all of this because nobody cared enough to TELL HIM RIGHT from WRONG. This kid,although he is DEFINITELY RESPONSIBLE and was,IMHO,fully aware of what he was doing,will suffer for the rest of his life for his parental inadequacies. HIS FUCKING MOTHER SHOULD BE HELD JUST AS ACCOUNTABLE. SIDE NOTE...I didn`t see Johnny Fucking Cochran or any of OJ`s MONEY DOUCHE BAGG LAWYERS run to defend a kid that was just LOST before he ever had a chance!! PICKING OFF ASS F`s 1 BY 1!!!
IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death	posted on 03-10-2001 @ 10:11 PM
O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00	See the thing is I don't know if this was pre meditated or not. There's a big difference beween fooling around and actively knowing you were going to kill this broad. If it was an accident then yes, the sentence is far too harsh. I haven't seen 15 Minutes. It didn't look that great. And I feel the definitive Murders-As-Media-Superstar movie is Natural Born Killers. This message was edited by IkeaBoy on 3-10-01 @ 10:13 PM
Jon Benet Norton G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. GTA3 Criminal Activity Specialist	posted on 03-10-2001 @ 10:15 PM
Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00	His sentence was not harsh enough. He was performing wrestling moves on someone half his and obviously half his size. The fractured skull was only half of it. She was bruised all over her body, I think they said she had a few busted ribs. This kid fucked this little girl up. He should have been sentenced to death. I need a napskee Check out my other sigs: Visit this Website "The saddest thing in life is wasted talent" -Machiavelli- "Whats a SIG PIC and how do I get one?" Jesus you gotta love utter stupidity.
PatCooper	posted on 03-10-2001 @ 10:15 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	The 6 year old girl was beaten to death.It was like the boy was messing around with wrestling moves.I mean growing up all boys do that,but not to the point of a fractured skull.
FeelMyFunBags	posted on 03-10-2001 @ 10:18 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01	Ok..if he fractured her skull, it still could have been an accident. Sometimes when you are little and playing rough, you don't really know your own strength. Regardless, Murder 1 is premeditated homicide, and regardless of how reckless or irresponsible he was, I don't think he intended to kill this girl. As for 15 Minutes, the movie really wasn't about murder and the media. That was only a brief part of the film. The movie really gave a disturbing look at the insanity defense and how easy it is for one to get off by using it. (I never saw Natural Born Killers though...is it good?)

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