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| Lord Duvious | posted on 02-01-2002 @ 8:52 AM |    | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jul. 01  | Well here it is almost 9 am, and I just finished reading God Emperor of Dune for about the twentieth time. Needless to say, I didn't get much sleep last night. I guess reading can be hazardous to you health. Anyway, the book got me thinking. I'm sure there are a lot of you here that have read Dune, or even the whole series, and I just wanted to get your thoughts. Herbert gets into some pretty heavy stuff in these books, and if nothing else they make you think. Basically I'm just curious for people's opinions on the books themselves, the concepts put forth by Herbert, etc., etc. If you have anything to say about the Dune books, just let it fly. I would like to hear some opinions on religion though. Herbert paints a picture of a distant future ruled by the machinations of religion. With a certain commodity controlled by an elite theocracy, all of humanity bows to one ruler. Hydraulic despotism is the phrase I believe. Are there any reflections of this (on a much smaller scale of course) in our society?  | ||||
| TheGooch Mullet Master Yo Gooch, Moron here... how's that for some fucked up shit... Fez is giving you status... Karma sucks, huh? | posted on 02-01-2002 @ 9:11 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Dune is the greatest Sci-fi book I have ever read (I can only compare it to the Hyperion series by Dan Simmons and Asimov's Foundation series in it's impact on me). The politics, religon, the intrigue...all reflect 20th century attitudes and society, but are fleshed out into the future, where there are no idealistic notions. We are the same conniving, political, sly folk of today...but on a grander scale. And, the story itself is fascinating. Only few books have truly walloped me in their genius and creativity...this is one of them. Lynch's movie version does no justice to the message and power of this novel. The Dune Messiah book, isn't bad...but after that, the series just went downhill.  Here's a tip that will save you alot of grief and time... Don't believe in and depend on anyone but yourself. | ||||
| skitchr4u G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Xtreme Skiing Assualt Force | posted on 02-01-2002 @ 9:16 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | Dune was a great book magus...i read it for the first time over the holiday, and just picked up the dune messaih. the book had me thinking about how people are trying to create the perfect person, the one to rule...it reminded me of how certain parts of government want us to all be the same...and also cloning. i can't wait to continue reading hte series, and am actually mad at myself for waiting so long to start the books...i have missed out on a lot | ||||
| Lord Duvious | posted on 02-01-2002 @ 9:19 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jul. 01 | Haven't read the Hyperion series, but I agree with you about Foundation. I tend to agree that the series went downhill, but I'm not sure at what point. It depends on your tastes I think. Herbert tends to get a little preachy towards the end of the series, but you can attribute part of that to him growing as a writer. The first few books tend to be very story-driven, whereas the last few lean more towards the philosophical side. Chapterhouse: Dune was an extreme disappointment for the last book. | ||||
| Ken'sPen [Sarcasm] Doesn't Live Up To The Hype [/Sarcasm] I should have stayed OVER THERE | posted on 02-01-2002 @ 9:21 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | Really liked Dune, Each book went further downhill in the series though. First glance I thought it was primarily about oil in the dessert and how whatever group no matter how primitive that controls it, can rise to power. There were many geo political themes running through it though. People getting civilized, getting weak, getting overthrown by the hordes. I enjoy another author Orson Scott Card. He weaves tightly many aspects of religion into his books, The Ender series, and (though fantasy) the Seventh Son. He is a hell of an author. | ||||
| TheGooch Mullet Master Yo Gooch, Moron here... how's that for some fucked up shit... Fez is giving you status... Karma sucks, huh? | posted on 02-01-2002 @ 9:23 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Magus??? No, that book, if it was Magoo, would be: "Even Cowgirls Get the Blues". Lord Duvious, on the otherhand brings us DUNE. :D Hyperion is great...really. I recommend it highly. Simmons has some powerful ideas in it, and the story is excellent too. (Hyperion, Fall of Hyperion, and Endymion). Also good...David Brin's "Startide Rising", and "Uplift War". quote: Yeah, I hate when they put oil in my Ben & Jerry's, too. Here's a tip that will save you alot of grief and time... Don't believe in and depend on anyone but yourself. This message was edited by TheGooch on 2-1-02 @ 9:27 AM | ||||
| Lord Duvious | posted on 02-01-2002 @ 9:28 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jul. 01 | quote: Damn you Ken. I actually have to agree with something you said? FUCK. Card is definitely in my top 3. Ender's Game is still my favorite book of all time. I'm not really as fond of his fantasy stuff, but he does a good job with everything he writes. | ||||
| Ken'sPen [Sarcasm] Doesn't Live Up To The Hype [/Sarcasm] I should have stayed OVER THERE | posted on 02-01-2002 @ 9:28 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | Never read the sequal to Hyperion (which I enjoyed) I thought the second uplift trilogy by Brin was more enjoyable than the first. | ||||
| skitchr4u G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Xtreme Skiing Assualt Force | posted on 02-01-2002 @ 9:29 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | my humblest appologies to lord devious...is see the word lord, and immediately assume it is magus. please do forgive me for just a terrible error. | ||||
| Ken'sPen [Sarcasm] Doesn't Live Up To The Hype [/Sarcasm] I should have stayed OVER THERE | posted on 02-01-2002 @ 9:40 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | Can I post in this thread that I hate the Gooch (and Duvious, prick) or do I have to dig up Gonzo's? As long as we have a SF thread going I really enjoy Niven and Charles Sheffield as well. | ||||
| Lord Duvious | posted on 02-01-2002 @ 9:45 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jul. 01 | I'm glad to hear you hate my Ken. I don't mind if people love me or hate me. It's indifference that I can't stand. Shut up and go read Red Prophet. Sheffield is good. Neal Stephenson is high on my list these days too, although what he writes doesn't fall in the traditional sci-fi realm. | ||||
| Ken'sPen [Sarcasm] Doesn't Live Up To The Hype [/Sarcasm] I should have stayed OVER THERE | posted on 02-01-2002 @ 9:50 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | quote: I don't, and I'm Gonzo's Ken. I did not enjoy Red Prophet, but the series picked up big time after that one. Loved the symbolism of the Unmaker, and Alvin as the Maker working as a blacksmith (steel) as opposed to Jesus the carpenter. He makes so many strong statements on the nature of good and evil, organized religions, and family in his works. Most Mormon's are nut jobs in my book, he is a big exception. | ||||
| TheGooch Mullet Master Yo Gooch, Moron here... how's that for some fucked up shit... Fez is giving you status... Karma sucks, huh? | posted on 02-01-2002 @ 9:55 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: What, you not into Ben & Jerry's??? Here's a tip that will save you alot of grief and time... Don't believe in and depend on anyone but yourself. | ||||
| Lord Duvious | posted on 02-01-2002 @ 9:55 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jul. 01 | I apologize for the mistaken use of the possessive. It's been awhile since I read the (what is the name of the series anyway) Alvin books, so I'm a little hazy. But I did love the way he illustrated the good v. evil struggle using superstitions, Indians, etc. I've also read The Worthing Saga by Card. Some of his earlier stuff, heavily influenced by Asimov, but with the same relgious tones as his other work. Actually, out of everything Card's written (that I've read), Ender's Game might be the least religious in nature. | ||||
| Ken'sPen [Sarcasm] Doesn't Live Up To The Hype [/Sarcasm] I should have stayed OVER THERE | posted on 02-01-2002 @ 9:57 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | Little Chubby Hubby, but with the OIL damn you. | ||||
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