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Istink	posted on 06-26-2002 @ 10:22 PM
Psychopath Registered: Jan. 02	It has been ruled unconstitutional .... .... what kind of fucking country do we live in?? The Curse shall be lifted .... If there isn't a strike!!

SLASH Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC STRIKE 3 (I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans)	posted on 06-26-2002 @ 10:41 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00	How about "My country tis of thee...?" That's still constitutional, right? AIM: SmarterChild Write To Me Here I think it all started with the Declaration of Independence -- the idea that we had the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That pursuit is what took America from the revolution to the computer age in 200 years. But the progress has come at a price. The obvious being the people that were exploited to make it possible; the not so obvious being us, the first group of people that were given no obvious frontiers to conquer. We hear stories about the good old days that don't seem to apply anymore. It's a generation gap that leaves us without role models. But the bright side is that without role models, there are no roles. Maybe that's what the 60s were all about -- getting rid of the roles. But what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, the choices become overwhelming. Sometimes it just makes everything feel hopeless. So we destroy our bodies in the search of an ideal. Try to salvage relationships that don't work. We feel we must do something, instead of doing something that we feel. It is the prison of self-imposed momentum, and the sad part is that we get used to it. It reminds me of a song I heard the other day. It's called "The Going Nowhere Fast." But the people I have met here have shown me another side of Nowhere. They've pointed out the beautiful irony that stagnation makes it easy to stop and smell the roses, if we just let it. What would we be if we had nothing to rebel against? Well we could finally be ourselves, the first group of people who stopped looking for the answers long enough to appreciate the questions. And all we have to do is to make our own Declaration of Independence. We can embrace the right to life and liberty by simply realizing that happiness exists -- not to pursue, but to accept. After that the only challenge would be to make sure with the rest of our lives that we weren't just another fad. I don't know, it's an idea. What do you think?

Turk408	posted on 06-26-2002 @ 11:39 PM
Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01	What I think may happen is they will change it to One Nation, Indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for All. Personally I say if you don't wanna do the Pledge, Don't. It's your right not to. A right that a lot of people served and died to defend. Let me light your fire I love the kindredbabe, the MamaCaz, the SyKoPaThCHiK, and especially the RF and my little walking Disaster Area!!!!

Beans Malone	posted on 06-27-2002 @ 5:06 AM
Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02	It comes down to a religious thing."under God" same thing happened here in canada with our pledge of allegiance... A federal appeals court Wednesday ruled that reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools is an unconstitutional "endorsement of religion" because Congress added the phrase "under God" in 1954. In its ruling, the court said, "The Pledge, as currently codified, is an impermissible government endorsement of religion." Guys Gone Wild Showtimes 1:30.. 3:45.. 5:55.. 8:10.. 10:10.. 12:10.

The Painter 1/2 a bottle of Jack Daniels... it's a cure-all	posted on 06-27-2002 @ 6:09 AM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00	quote: "The Pledge, as currently codified, is an impermissible government endorsement of religion." Which religion does the government endorse? The mention of God, does not constitute endorsement. No specific religion is endorsed. Catholicism, Judaism, Moslem, Hindu, Shinto? Which one was endorsed? The government (country) shall have no official religion, and it doesn't. By saying the word "God" you are including all religions. Even if you worship a Cosmic Corn Muffin, It's still your God, and you're included. But is it ART

mikehern JBA gave a cool status to mikehern	posted on 06-27-2002 @ 6:46 AM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Apr. 02	Is this another case of political correctness gone too far? Wasn't this country founded on religious freedom, the right to worship God? MONTANI SEMPER LIBERI

Filzy Stand up straight Stomach in Shoulders back SOUND OFF!!!	posted on 06-27-2002 @ 9:27 AM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00	And we're right back to the crapola here in the U.S. It's nice to know that we learned nothing from 9/11, Just ask Daschle. "I'm proud that I've never had a drug problem or complained that sucess sucks and shot myself like Kurt Cobain did. Sorry, but sucess is something people like me dream about. ~Chuck Schuldiner b.05-13-67 d.12-13-01 R.I.P. [Email][email protected][/Email]

Lord Slug	posted on 06-27-2002 @ 9:32 AM
Psychopath Registered: May. 02	This whole thing makes me sick. cnn.com actually has a pretty good breakdown on this issue. They have analyst on if it will stand, who is blaming who, history of the pledge, and a lot of reactions to the rulings. San Francisco? Who listens to them anyways. They shouldn't be able to make any decisions! :mad: I am the master of the obvious. This message was edited by Lord Slug on 6-27-02 @ 9:38 AM

TheJays This status sponsored by: P®oJë©T M@¥h?m: I MAKE COOL PICTURES Proud To Be An American	posted on 06-27-2002 @ 9:43 AM
Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01	The way I interpret the line in the pledge to be is not that a Judeo/Christian/Islamic/Hindu etc. god is forced upon me by my country, but rather acknoledges that the three basic rights of the individual, which are life, liberty, and property, are rights not given to us by other men, but by an infallible higher power. One Nation Under God simply means that our rights cnnot be taken away by mere mortals, thus we shall have out three basic rights forever. Fo shizza my nizza, is it ok to say nizza? "I haven't felt that good since Artie Gammell score against Holland in 1978." "When a person is insane, as you clearly are, do you know that you're insane? Maybe you're just sitting around, reading "Guns and Ammo", masturbating in your own feces, do you just stop and go, "Wow! It is amazing how fucking crazy I really am!" "Bitch, what you don't know about me I can just about squeeze in the Grand fucking Canyon. Did you know I always wanted to be a dancer in Vegas?" "Bazooko's Circus is what the world would be doing every Saturday night if the Nazis had won the war.

TeenWeek what's a status?	posted on 06-27-2002 @ 9:47 AM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00	Does this remind anyone of the South park Christmas episode where they had to remove anything that offended anybody. It has gotten ridiculous now. It has been around for many years now. You ar enot required to stand but dont take it away from people who want to participate. What is next, like Anthony said, we could see a change to our money and take God out of that. Our society has turned into a bunch of yahoos that protest everything or people who sue for whatever reason. The Mother's Day thing is ridiculous. Who gives a fuck if a bunch of faggots complain that their kid is offended by mother's day. When I was young, I loved making stuff for my parents. It made me feel good doing something nice for my parents. I am tired of all this bullshit.

barch97 BBTB The barch gots lots a dick Theoretically, if I were to smack you in the face with my penis, it would leave a bruise in the shape of a mushroom. I kind of enjoy my anonymity on the board WOW Forum Ambassador	posted on 06-27-2002 @ 9:50 AM
O&A Board Veteran Registered: Jul. 00	Jay, proofread that. You make a decent argument but, all the spelling and grammatical errors make you sound like an idiot. I agree that everyone child in every public school in the united states should be allowed to recite the pledge of allegiance whenever they like. It's an act of patriotism of the purest form. Where I disagree is when everyone is forced to chant it every morning together and, never taught what it means. I said it everyday when I was in school and, I had no idea what I was saying. It was just a bunch of phrases that I memorized and repeated because I was told to. The problem that I am having with this particular incident is that the side that I support's best argument is "just say it... it's only two words." To that I say "Fuck You... it's only two words." If they're only words, why then must I say them? This conform or be chastised mentality has been around for far too long and gotten way out of control lately. Edit: quote: What is next, like Anthony said, we could see a change to our money and take God out of that. The guy that is behind this (Michael A. Newdow) has also cases pending for that very purpose. He wants all reference to god and/or religion of any kind removed from all money. He's also sued the president for similar atrocities. Long Live the "Syndication Underground"* The more things change... The more they stay the same. This message was edited by barch97 on 6-27-02 @ 10:06 AM

Redhead Lover	posted on 06-27-2002 @ 1:49 PM
Psychopath Registered: Feb. 02	quote: The problem that I am having with this particular incident is that the side that I support's best argument is "just say it... it's only two words." To that I say "Fuck You... it's only two words." If they're only words, why then must I say them? This conform or be chastised mentality has been around for far too long and gotten way out of control lately. I think this is a good point. As you said, many schoolchildren merely recite the Pledge and don't consider what the words really mean. This country was founded on the desire to seek freedom of religion, so I think everyone has the right to choose a religion, or to choose to not follow any religion. My problem with the girl who called yesterday was that she said she refused to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance because she didn't believe in God. If she doesn't believe in God, that's her right, but to refuse to stand for the entire Pledge is disrepectful to the country. If a person has a problem with the words "Under God", why don't they simply omit thise words when they say the Pledge? That seems a much more rational decision than to take this issue to court... "Weaseling is all part of human nature! Weaseling separates us from the animals... except the weasel" - Homer Simpson

WoundedAngel Absolutely spectacular, and 1337 as hell.	posted on 06-27-2002 @ 2:14 PM
Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01	I firmly believe that our society is becoming so sterile and P.C. that god know where we'll be 10-15 years from now. Everything is always offensive to someone and unfotunately, we cater to these groups who moan, and bitch, and whine. It's our own goddamn fault! And yes that really is me, so stop asking! :P

Lord Slug	posted on 06-27-2002 @ 2:19 PM
Psychopath Registered: May. 02	At what point will issues like this pop up and then divide our country? Is it possible for it to happen? What type of issue has the power to make it happen? I am the master of the obvious.

MadMickwop	posted on 06-27-2002 @ 3:00 PM
Psychopath Registered: Apr. 02	This is called Judical Activism. What do you expect from years of PC/commie's taking over the power structure? Our country was formed to protect the individual's rights from over reaching Gov't. Your "Creator" is of your own choice. If you don't want to say it fine. That's your right. Please respect mine as well.

WoundedAngel Absolutely spectacular, and 1337 as hell.	posted on 06-27-2002 @ 3:04 PM
Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01	Actually, being politically correct has very little, if anything, to do with Communism. It's less a fault of the Commies as it is a fault of the liberal Democrats. quote: What do you expect from years of PC/commie's taking over the power structure? And yes that really is me, so stop asking! :P

av8er OA.com's taint with wings. The only person to have a 20 double post	posted on 06-27-2002 @ 3:35 PM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00	quote: Cosmic Corn Muffin I had one of these for breakfast, it gave me gas. Av8er Radio [AIM] [ICQ] [E-Mail] AMY IS MY BITCH!

Istink	posted on 06-27-2002 @ 3:38 PM
Psychopath Registered: Jan. 02	I thought about it today and the whole communist thing came to mind to me as well .... I mean we have pretty much eradicated communism throughout the world with the exception of a few countries .... We have preached capitalism and democracy forever and many nations are now falling into the same beliefs as we .... If communism is to make a comeback I believe it is of our own fault and I think that is the way this whole Political Correctness situation is headed albeit a more toned down version .... [Sarcasm]It's a good thing my vote counts[/Sarcasm] .... The Curse shall be lifted .... If there isn't a strike!!

MadMickwop	posted on 06-27-2002 @ 3:51 PM
Psychopath Registered: Apr. 02	quote: It's less a fault of the Commies as it is a fault of the liberal Democrats. True. However, both party's are to blame. The Truth

PlasticMan G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Dhalsim-Style Hand to Hand Specialist	posted on 06-28-2002 @ 11:23 AM
Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02	Everyone who's accusing this guy of being un-American, have you completely forgotten that one of the founding principals of this country was the separation of church and state? Now, I think the guy's a bitch for suing over it, but I agree with the principal. "Under God" endorses one set of religions, and rejects polytheism and atheism (probably some others, I'm not particularly knowledgeable about religion) implicitly. This phrase, much like "In God We Trust" should never have been allowed to be ADDED. You want to bitch at someone, bitch at the assholes who ADDED all of the God references. AIM \| E-mail I want to look him straight in the eye and I want to tell him what a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shit he is! Hallelujah! Holy Shit!

MartinFa	posted on 06-28-2002 @ 11:59 AM
Hanger-On Registered: Apr. 02	DAMN I HATE THIS!!! ARGGGGHHHHHHH The pledge of alligience ORIGINALLY did not have the words UNDER GOD in it. This was changed in the 1950's because of our war against the godless communists. It was part of the MCARTHY ERA. You guys remeber that fun little time when actors and writers were balck balled at the slightest hint of "anti American views (read against the currently elected political leaders). Take the words out who gives a rats ass. What is congress going to do rewrite the first amindment!!!!!! Thats right I think the senate should be banned from opening the morning in prayer unless they are willing to bow toward mecca three times a day shave and wear robes. Then need to get on to REAL issues like stopping terrorists. I spell more better than Tyson. "Excuse" x-k-o-o-s-e

MadMickwop	posted on 06-28-2002 @ 2:04 PM
Psychopath Registered: Apr. 02	It's seem's the Judge has stayed his own order on this issue. So it's moot right now. Guess his 'party' leaders got a hold of him and read him the riot act. (It's an election year, dumbass!)

The Painter 1/2 a bottle of Jack Daniels... it's a cure-all	posted on 06-29-2002 @ 5:42 AM
O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00	quote: 6 You shall not murder. 7 You shall not commit adultry 8 You shall not steal 9 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor These are comandments 6,7,8, and 9. All this talk of church and state, and how one should have nothing to do with the other. Does that mean we should get rid of any laws that are based on these comandments? But is it ART

-GomeZ-	posted on 06-29-2002 @ 7:09 AM
Psychopath Registered: Jan. 02	My problem with this situation is this....You basically have two sets of people here, those who do not wish to recite the pledge, and those who think we should....Simple fact is, neither party is wrong. But, what we do have here is one group of people taking the rights of another...The very thing they accused people of doing to them, they are now doing to others...What if someone wants to say Under God? Taking away his right to say that is just as unconstitutonal as forcing someone to say it...Solution? Make the entire pledge optional. Only way to really keep both groups happy in this case "Not only is life a bitch, it has puppies." This message was edited by -GomeZ- on 6-29-02 @ 7:13 AM

Istink	posted on 06-29-2002 @ 6:01 PM
Psychopath Registered: Jan. 02	That isn't the real solution because this guy isn't bitching because his daughter was forced to say it but because she was forced to hear it .... There is no way to make everyone happy because someone will find something to bitch about .... The Curse shall be lifted .... If there isn't a strike!!

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