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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: More Intelligent Post A la Kid Afrika: What do you think of blaming society / parenting for childrens actions? | ||||
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| GonzoStyle | posted on 04-15-2001 @ 1:25 AM |    | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70  | This has always been a burning question of mine. Now this has been said a million times but i will say it again. I come from old school parenting. I was raised by my granny and she never felt awkward about talking about anything to me. Wether drugs. alochol or sex. And she was never second guessing herself when she beat my ass. Now i am being serious here for a second. Forget the sick humor cause there is more to me beyond that. I say what i say and i hope you are not dumb enough to see it for what it is, humor. Everyone says "oooh how can you say that?" well let me say this J Edgar Hoover said the way to get rid of the mafia is to ignore it and deny its very existence. Well we all know how well that worked out. Ignoring the existense of drugs or of racism or even child touching will not make it go away. But knowing that it is wrong and being able to laugh at it is better than not talking about it as well. Eevery deserves to be put in the barrell equally wether it's gay, fat, black, ugly, white, chinese, lesbian, whatever. If we all opened up a bit more we'd be able to realease some of that pent up anger. That is a look at who i am, now where i am going with this all. We live in a on the go world which explains why there is a porblem in this country not only with our kids but even obesity. I myself and fat and it's cause i am always on the go and i don't have the time to worry about a diet even though it hurts me physically. We don't have time nowadays to hit the gym, make a diet, work, take care of the family, pay the bills etc etc. And this has caused a problem in parenting where either you have a 1 parent house hold or 2 parents that work. It's pretty rare to see the mom who stays home and cooks and cleans. Or the dad who does it and raises his kids. And then these kids grow up watching tv and media is another poison to our society. But that is another story all together that we can get into later on in this post. I wanna stick to the parenting. Then these kids grow up in front of a tv, but the TV is not to blame the parents who don't give two shits about what their kids watch is the problem. They wrap their kids up like little bundles and ship them off to school where they expect under paid over worked teachers to teach their kids not only book smarts, but street smarts and the real world. And when their kids start looking for role models and acceptance with someone and they turn out to be bad kids the parents go and blame everything and everyone but themselves. They blame the society we live in the tv, radio, books, magazines, cartoons, toys, news, the president, microwavable tv dinners everything but them. Bad this bad that how about bad fuckin parents as chri rock said. Yeah kids are pratially to blame also but they learn from what they see. No child is born racist he is taught it, just like he learns from his surroundings and at home. I dunno if any of this made sense but i figure you want intelligent talk well let's go then.  Have you come here for forgiveness Have you come to raise the dead Have you come here to play Jesus To the lepers in your head She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| adolescentmasturbator | posted on 04-15-2001 @ 1:29 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | Well, it seems that people always blame someone else besides themselves. My parents didn't do much to keep me out of the way of violence in the media but they taught me that it is wrong. People should take responsibility for their own kids.  E-Mail Me IM me at stickysituation2 This message was edited by adolescentmasturbator on 4-15-01 @ 1:34 AM | ||||
| MrQuotes NO!!! You can't have any smiley faces in your status!!! G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Missile Command | posted on 04-15-2001 @ 1:30 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Nov. 00 | i have held strong beliefs that forms of entertainment have nothing to do with the society our country has become, but after living my life, i cant help but admit that it does contribute somewhat. SOMEWHAT i emphasize that as much as humanly possible. because the real problem that kids become fucked up and cause shit is because of parents, where are parents to direct right from wrong, and even saying "killing people is bad you shouldnt do that", they blame everyone and everything but themselves. parenting is now showing kids to a tv or shipping them somewhere where they wont be your burden, and thats what society has come to these days. of course there are exceptions to the rule but this is what it has come to. every school shooting ive seen, i cant remember any actual blame being put on the parents, "oh no they are the victims" NO THEYRE THE FUCKING REASON. video games, music, tv, movies, if a kid is fucked up enough to be influenced by some things, why havent parents told a fucking psychiatrist of school counselor or some shit like that? as for drugs and the sort, the only way to learn from this is to live it. if a person experiences this life and lives through it then they become a better person and they will know about the real world, it cant be taught with the DARE program or whoever else wants to come and yell at kids trying ot jackhammer it into kids heads that drugs are bad for you, they wont know it unless they do it themselves. when it comes to kids being assholes causing mischief, eggings and such, there is no one to blame and no one can stop it, its kids being kids. you have to do crazy shit as a teenager, as to learn from life, and experience. i should know because i do that shit too. this whole rant was an over elaborate way of saying "i have no idea what the hell is wrong with kids", i was just trying to be smart  bodies strewn across the dead end street broken bottles under children's feet but i won't heed the battle call it puts my back up, puts my back up agains the wall | ||||
| hangupthephoneuSKANK | posted on 04-15-2001 @ 1:34 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: -What about the Crack head Parents that are home all day long but still don't give a crap about their kids and start blaming everything else around them?... my mother raised me by her self and I pretty much learned everything I know on the streets, or TV, etc..., she never got to talk to me about all that stuff parents are supposed to but I think I got the right message out of the whole deal... I chose not to smoke, or use drugs. I drink occasionally, but I know not to lose control... I guess I made my point that not all single parents has a chance or know when to talk with their kids about the little demands of life, some kids will do just fine.  "Like PELE and Muhammed Ali, I'm the culture of personality. Ask not... what a MOD can do for you.... ...Ask what YOU can do for this board!" | ||||
| Rone | posted on 04-15-2001 @ 1:37 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | great post gonzo... younger kids minds are so fragile and they are easily influenced, good or bad. i think its really sad when you have kids growing up around crime and drugs in bad neighborhoods. sometimes their parents are addicts and they look at it like there is nothing else so they get hooked at a young age. they are labeled as trash and nobody gives them a chance. then they have kids at a young age and the cycle starts all over again. of course this isn't everyone, but its enough people to create a problem. and the government doesn't care, and their teachers look the other way. but maybe i'm wrong, i have no idea.  | ||||
| Kid Afrika | posted on 04-15-2001 @ 1:39 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | My mom beat me with a wooden spoon when I fucked up. The problem today is, if you hit your kids, somebody's gonna call dyfs. But, when the kids won't behave, dyfs don't wanna hear shit. There are plenty of resources to break up a family, but none to keep them together.
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| Austin 3:16 The Dark Enforcer/Angry Stoned Pimp G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. New World Order Secret Police Chief Proud Inventor of the "Cream Cheese, Peanut Butter and Jelly" sandwich | posted on 04-15-2001 @ 1:41 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Feb. 01 | People are really too busy to do much of anything anymore and that is why the average life span of a guy is like 77 years. If they spent a little more time tending to themselves and their health instead of doing work for someone else's fat ass we would a live longer. As for parents if u don't plan to give the little sum bitch sum attention dont have em. I have graduated from Sephiroth's school for newbies, also thanx for the sig pic. I think that at one point it is you're time in the barrel and I think my time is coming soon. E-mail Me | ||||
I Need An Old Priest And A Young Priest | posted on 04-15-2001 @ 1:43 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Lets face facts here people, parents are responsible to teach and guide their children from right and wrong. That is the simple truth.  Officially Part of JWO: skitchr4u & JasonFromRiverEdge | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 04-15-2001 @ 2:48 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | quote: i agree on this so much, pete townshed said it best "if some asshole with a fuckin gun was gonna shoot up a school he would do it with or with the influence of marilyn manson." i mean come on, blaming music is like blaming peanut butter because he ate it the morning he shot up a school. The columbine shooting os ofcourse what i am refering to. so who was to blame? THE PARENTS-- This one is a toughie yeah the parents deserved some of the blame if not most of it. Now if these kids were five, THEN I'd blame the parents entirely. But, these boys were old enough to start making their own choices and having their own opinions. They are also old enough to be able to be quite secretive. Even if the parents did know, they probably would have been in too much denial to do anything anyway. Don't get me wrong here, the parents should have some blame, but not all of it. I mean like i said before the parents are who we learn from, from day one to pretty much the end. VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES-- Guess what? I play these games. LOTS of people play these games and they don't go around shooting people. ARGH! I get TICKED when I see this one on any list of blame. People often go after top money makers for blame. Hey, high profile=easy target. What ticked me off even further was that the media made it sound like "a parent's responsibility" to take away the violent video games (THAT would have caused me to go and shoot people). Just because some weak minded people exist, DOESN"T mean that everyone else is the same way. Doom? I've played Doom and I liked it, but I didn't see people as Imps and shoot them. Killer Instinct? One of my favorite games. Guess what? These games are VERY popular. That makes them easy prey for blame mongers. People just start assuming things about others once someone does something horrible. It's quite sad really. DARK MUSIC/MOVIES/BOOKS-- In a nutshell, see above. It seems that the most high profile groups are good targets. Luckily, the games and music seem to be at the bottom of the barrel. Hmm....it does seem to get the most attention though. Scary thought. It just amazes me how far some people are willing to go just to get rid of something they don't like. Some people take things far too seriously. First, it was the shooters and now it's people who want to point fingers. "THE IN CROWD or THE POPULAR CROWD"-- This one might be the most plausible blame. What the hell is normal any way? It's a matter of perspective. Ugly truth: People are threatened by those who are different. Another Ugly Truth: If you look like a punk or a goth or a grunge or anything "abnormal", you were considered a threat. THAT'S RIGHT! A threat! So, you get picked on because you don't fall into a mold that others have cast for you. Another Ugly Truth: Those boys looked "normal", but they weren't. Even if the boys were punks or goths that doesn't mean that every goth shoots people. True goths are non-violent. Anyway, these two boys looked normal. Well so WHAT? It's plainly obvious that they were alienated and teased by other students. But hey who doesn't take a ribbing at school. Unfortunatly psychology has turned into a way to ppass blame onto something else but the obvious. It was your parents, it was the bully in school, it was the time you shit on yourself, it was a childhood thing yadda yadda yadda MAKES ME FUCKIN SICK. Have you come here for forgiveness Have you come to raise the dead Have you come here to play Jesus To the lepers in your head She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| Sephiroth | posted on 04-15-2001 @ 3:02 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | I do kind of agree with the enviorment theory. Normal violent vidoegame play, violent or sexually movies, violence in the media have little or no effect on a person. But if all you see is violence, and alll you associate with is violence, then it is inevitable that you will be slightly effected by it. I say "Slightly" because i absolutly refuse to believe that it can drive a person far enought to commit these atrocities. I place the blame for all this on Defense lawyer Pyschiatrists. Because of them ,the entire field of Pyschology has been degraded to explaining away the horrible actions of the obvious guilty. I go to John Jay College of Criminal justice, and often have to sit-in on court cases to help me in my studies. The last case i went to, a Pyschiatrist, employed by the defense, argued that a the defendant was not guilty of his crime (Murder in the Second degree) because all the movies he had watched and revered as a child (those movies being "Menance 2 Society", "Sugar Hill", among others) re-inforced his gang-banger lifestyle, and thus, could not distinguish the Gang's idea of Right & Wrong in Justice from Society's point of view. Mind you, this was after he had signed a confession to the Police admitting his guilt.  "In my veins courses the blood of the ancients... I am one of the rightful heirs to this planet!" "What I have shown you is reality. What you remember, that is the illusion."-Sephiroth "Jesus Christ buddy, you are WHITE! Do you live underground or something?"- Vos Have any anime questions? Send me a E-mail or IM me at AIM: Hitokiri182 Go to foundry Chat, home of NUDE TEEN Chatters I am Master Shredder....I am Ninja Master This message was edited by Sephiroth on 4-15-01 @ 3:25 AM | ||||
| FeelMyFunBags | posted on 04-15-2001 @ 3:08 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | The real problem with society today is that people want too much. They want the super careers as well as the family, and their family is always the ones that suffer. Parents do not take off enough time from work to form real bonds with their children and are too quick to give them a house key and let them take care of themselves. Parents now days seem to think if you buy your kids nice clothes that suit the trends and take them on a nice vacation once a year that they are good parents. But we all know that is not true. To blame music and television is unrealistic. Growing up I saw anvils dropped from the sky in cartoons and I never went out and did what I saw. When I saw a movie with sex in it, I didn't run out looking to try out what I saw. And to blame artists like Marilyn Manson is also ridiculous. It is no ones fault but the parents...parents need to teach their children at an early age about right from wrong and spend time with them. Children were not meant to be pictures on a desk...they are supposed to be something wonderful to spend time with and teach....  How I'm craving you, yeah! Every time I'm near you I always want to swallow you down I'll be right here if ya' need me In my life, I'll need you here, don't ask why I'll never disappear | ||||
| Corpsegrinderjunk | posted on 04-15-2001 @ 3:16 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Aug. 00 | The way I see it, is that no one is willing to take any sort of responsibilty for the upbringing of their children. They usually spend mor time trying to cencor everything that they deem unfit for their children to see. By doing this, they completely ignore the fact that they have children to raise. And another thing that really bothers me about our society is all the people that think anything that isn't widely recognized as an "acceptable" religion, is pointless and insults them that you don't share their same beliefs. The problem that stems from this is; now that they know you are not "religiously accepted" they will preach their beliefs on you every chance they get. Why do people feel the need to do this? What makes everything that they believe in so fucking special. I just can't deal with all of this shit no more. I just ignore it.  [sarcasm]I hope my sig pic doesn't offend you[/sarcasm]! FU Buttmunch "Think before you write" - Froy E-Mail Me | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 04-15-2001 @ 3:17 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | i agree with sephiroth I have always thought parenting and your surroundings are the two biggest influences. I knew a guy once who was connected and i asked him what drew him into doing this? He said my old man came here from russia and he worked in a garment factory and taught me hard work pays off and he died penniless. I watched these guys who had money, fancy dress and cars and they didnt need no fuckin education. Well his surroundings affected him and he didnt have his father around to show him right from wrong cause he was always working and his mom died. things like music, tv and shit are prefernces but not influences that form who you are. Have you come here for forgiveness Have you come to raise the dead Have you come here to play Jesus To the lepers in your head She-Mail Me Here | ||||
| onehung lo434 | posted on 04-15-2001 @ 9:12 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Another one of the its the parents fault.First off let me start with.If you don't have any children you shouldn't even be opening your mouth because your opinion on the matter doesn't mean shit.Untill you have children of your own or raise a child you don't have the experience or the knowledge to give an accurate response. Now, To blame the parents is just society's way of passing the buck.Noone ever wants to beleive that the child was capable of doing anything wrong.So what do they do.They blame the parents.Its the easy way out. Little johnny stole from a candy store ==Parents Little johnny did drugs=======parents Little johnny shot up the school==Little johnny Possible answers for above. The store,Maybe the parents didn't give the kid any cash.So little john grabbed a candy bar and got away with it.So the next time he goes to the store he's got a buck on him,Pay for the candy or swipe it?He got away with it last time....(and I'm not saying if you give kids money that will solve the problem) Drugs can be related to parents in certain situations,Genetics,Parents doing drugs in front of the kids etc.But for the most part I'd blame peer pressure on drugs. Shooting the school.Little johnny is a fucking wacko that needs to be put down.Thats it,No discussion needed.Nothing productive can ever become of that child.. Yes, I have 2 kids.15 yr old son & 14 yr old daughter.Also I coached LL baseball for 11 yrs,So I have seen and experienced the joys and pains of raising children. When I was coaching baseball I use to call certain parents "the stop drop and runners" Those were the parents that would be 5 minutes late to drop the kids off at practice,And be 10 minutes late to pick them up.And the only other time I saw them was during games.And 9 times out of 10 those kids were the best players on the team. Kids are just that,Kids.They will do whatever it is possible to impress the parents or friends so they will feel more important. So if "society" would stop trying to disect whats wrong with our children and just let them be children we would all be better off.No 8 year old ever made it to the hall of fame for any sport or ever won the nobel peace prize. For you future parents. If you plan on having kids.Make sure you have nothing planned for the next 20 years or so,If not.Next time your banging your wife thinking about having kids just pull it out and blow your wad on her face.Cause if you can't spend the time with them,You shouldn't be having them. | ||||
| Bumpkinhead | posted on 04-15-2001 @ 9:38 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | All I know is that nothing was taught to me. I grew up and learned the way of the world. I am not prejudice or do I care about prejudice people. As gonzo said: It's humor. If I say "NIGGER" I use it in a joke. It's never meant to hurt a black person. I am making fun of the fact that words like "nigger" hurt people. Fuck it. Who cares. Atleast you don't have a billy club smacking into your head. When it comes to a human being all I see is you. I don't see black, jewish, polish...etc... It's just you and your title(name). I just can't wait to be invaded by another planet. So then we can all come together as 1.  I should stop posting before I get in trouble. | ||||
| Sweet Little Sister | posted on 04-15-2001 @ 5:55 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00 | You guys are so right!! Parenting styles have changed a lot since we were kids. Just go into your local supermarket or mall and observe....it's disgraceful. Parents are sending vague messages to their kids. My parents let me know exactly what was right and wrong. I have many parents contact me to help them manage their children's behavior. I've even seen parents bring their "unruly" children to the psychiatric emergency room for discipline (to teach them a lesson). Unbelievable..... It's not the music lyrics, T.V. shows, or movies that are contributing to the "dummying of America" and unrluy kids....it's our basic standards and lack of discipline. Look what you did to me.......DO IT AGAIN! "I promise to make you proud, Daddy!" Adopted by Tequila | ||||
| Mi1o Yambag | posted on 04-15-2001 @ 7:18 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Now, I'm not a parent, so I can't say what its like for them to raise kids in today's society, but its pretty clear that its tougher now than ever. It seems like everyone wants to condemn the parents when they try to discipline their children, and because of this, parents are forced to resort to giving their children 'time outs' Everyone knows that this is not an effective means of discipline. That said, when I was younger, I watched whatever I wanted, read whatever I wanted, listened to whatever I wanted, and played whatever games I wanted. It didn't matter how much violence or sex was in them. Can this effect a child's psyche? Definately. However, my parents did teach me the difference between right and wrong. Its funny. With all of the blame on the media for the actions of children, I probably watched more sex and violence in the media than most young children. Yet, because my parents were always there for me, I turned out fine.  Smoke Weed Everyday | ||||
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