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| Kid Afrika | posted on 02-28-2001 @ 10:03 AM |    | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70  | George Carlin on religion When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! READ The Entire Story Here This message was edited by Kid Afrika on 2-28-01 @ 10:13 AM | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 02-28-2001 @ 10:06 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | But he loves you. The sun worship bit is classic, too. Worship the sun, pray to Joe Pesci. Cause he gets stuff done. Damnit, I'm gonna have to read that whole page, even though I own the CD.  This message was edited by FollowThisLogic on 2-28-01 @ 10:08 AM | ||||
| Cap'n Fudge | posted on 02-28-2001 @ 12:47 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | I couldn't care less what religion anyone belongs to. My personal beliefs are to 1 side, not the other. The whole agnostic arguement of wait and see just doesn't seem to make sense. Its like watching a baseball game and rooting for the team after they've already won. As for people who accept the words of organized religion as the only way, they should have their heads examined. Everything is open for interpretation and personal judgement should be used. The fact that there are so many fractionalized sects of 1 church, not to mention redundant religions with 1 or 2 minor differences shows the obsurdity of it all. Ventriliquist Detective [email protected] | ||||
| Kid Afrika | posted on 02-28-2001 @ 1:04 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | My idea of being agnostic, is that I know that I don't know what exists on a higher plane. So, I refuse to live my life according to someone else's idea of what is right. I mean get serious, the bible was written at a time when people thought the world was flat. They had no concept of anything that was truly larger than themselves. All I have learned in my life thus far, is that there is much to learn. In the end, maybe I'll be wrong, but on the other hand maybe I'll be right. I don't really care, but you can't tell me that this dude 2,000 years ago turned water to wine, and I should bow at his feet. Fuck that, David Blaine levitated on national TV, and I don't see anybody worshipping his ass.  | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 02-28-2001 @ 1:10 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: That's my point. There is no winner. There can't be a winner unless God pops down from the clouds and says "Hi! Here I am!"... So your baseball game basically has an infinite number of innings, tied at 0-0 with no possible way of scoring, other than by divine intervention. That'd be a bitch to watch on TV.  And as far as open interpretation goes, okay, that's fine, and explains sects and such... but then you have completely different religions altogether - Hindus, Muslims, sun worshippers, tribes that believe in many gods, back in the day the Romans and Greeks believed in many gods as well.... And each of those religions has different belief structures. Different prophets, different messiahs. They are not based on Catholicism, not even a LITTLE. Matter of fact, there were huge, bloody wars called the Crusades in which these other religions had tremendous battles over who had the right God. So, are you saying that you've got it right? You've got the right God? How do you KNOW that? What if a Muslim comes along and tells you that you're wrong and he's right? Which one of you really IS right? You're saying you're willing to risk that you're NOT right? Cause remember, if you're wrong, then no matter HOW GOOD YOU ARE, you could be Mother Teresa, you're still going to Hell. | ||||
| Cap'n Fudge | posted on 02-28-2001 @ 1:12 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Kid, it doesn't seem like you're an agnostic at all. You made your choice, no problem. More to the point, you don't care one way or the other. Who can say whats what? No one, but there are people who believe that there is something else beyond this life. They aren't all sheep. They have faith in something bigger. Ventriliquist Detective [email protected] | ||||
| Cap'n Fudge | posted on 02-28-2001 @ 1:21 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | FTL, I've never said I've got it right. I've always heard that God loves unconditionally and forgives those who seek forgiveness. My belief system is based more on that then a church. As for other religions, Christianity is based on Judism. Islam erecognizes Jesus as a prophet, so there are 3 major religions working off the same God. Eastern religion is a different animal. Its absolutely true that wars have been waged in the name of God. Wars over how many angels could fit on the head of a pin. I wasn't involved in them and I don't hold myself accountable for what has gone on in the past by members of my faith any more than I claim responsiblity for my grandfather being a racist. I can't say I'm the correct one. But I have something that occasionally comforts me when things get bad, like when people die. As for the baseball analogy, the game does end when you die. Either you have some kind of afterlife, or you just cease to be. I'm not ready to see if I'm right or wrong quite yet. Ventriliquist Detective [email protected] | ||||
| Kid Afrika | posted on 02-28-2001 @ 2:11 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | Agnostic n. One who believes that there can be no proof of the existence of God but does not deny the possibility that God exists. Word History: An agnostic does not deny the existence of God and heaven, for example, but rather holds that one cannot know for certain if they exist or not. The term agnostic was fittingly coined by the 19th-century British scientist Thomas H. Huxley, who believed that only material phenomena were objects of exact knowledge. He made up the word from the prefix a-, meaning “without, not,†as in amoral, and the noun Gnostic. Gnostic is related to the Greek word gnsis, “knowledge,†which was used by early Christian writers to mean “higher, esoteric knowledge of spiritual thingsâ€; hence, Gnostic referred to those with such knowledge. In coining the term agnostic, Huxley was considering as “Gnostics†a group of his fellow intellectuals“ists,†as he called themwho had eagerly embraced various doctrines or theories that explained the world to their satisfaction. Because he was a “man without a rag of a label to cover himself with,†Huxley coined the term agnostic for himself, its first published use being in 1870. This message was edited by Kid Afrika on 2-28-01 @ 2:13 PM | ||||
| Cap'n Fudge | posted on 02-28-2001 @ 2:32 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Super! I guess you are an agnostic after all. I apologize for getting the definition wrong. I had originally written something else, but I read another post by Kid and it answered any concern I had. Ventriliquist Detective [email protected] This message was edited by Cap'n Fudge on 2-28-01 @ 2:38 PM | ||||
| Comic Book Guy | posted on 02-28-2001 @ 2:38 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Feb. 01 | KID: If you're a big George Carlin fan, there is a documentary/feature exhibit at the Museum of Radio and Television that is SPECTACULAR and incredibly funny. It's basically an hour and a half George Carlin Best Of. It's on 52nd St. off of Fifth Ave and only like 6 bucks. Definitely well worth it if you're in the city sometime, he does that whole bit. yvan eht nioj  Hello?!?!? . . . HELLO!!! . . . it's Antoinette!!! | ||||
| GonzoStyle | posted on 02-28-2001 @ 2:48 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | well if you're a george carlin fan stuff like this:quote: would not offend you at all now would it?  Do you know how pale & wanton thrillful comes death on a strange hour unannounced, unplanned for like a scaring over-friendly guest you've brought to bed Death makes angels of us all & gives us wings where we had shoulders smooth as raven's claws --Jim Morrison (An American Prayer) | ||||
| Kid Afrika | posted on 02-28-2001 @ 2:55 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | quote: Please share with us, either what you read, or what you originally wrote. You have piqued my curiousity. | ||||
| Cap'n Fudge | posted on 02-28-2001 @ 3:05 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Since I've piqued you curosity, and it only sounds remotely condesending... You ripped apart someone talking about Friday the 13. Thus then, by defacto, I realized your earlier posts weren't so much anti-religion as they were anti-stupidity. Ventriliquist Detective [email protected] | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 02-28-2001 @ 3:30 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Bearing that in mind, why are there sins if God's all-forgiving anyway? And I don't mean commandment-breakers... I mean small sins. What's the point of telling you that those sins are bad if God's gonna forgive 'em anyway? If you knew that speeding was illegal but there was no penalty for it, you'd be going a hundred miles an hour. You also said Eastern religion is a different animal - different enough to prove my different-God theory. I tend to think that if I were to believe in one God and it wasn't the real one, then the real one would get a little pissy that I didn't even know he existed. As far as hope goes.... there's another problem sometimes... can't people take credit for their actions? Blame God if your life is bad. Thank him if it's good. But YOU did all the work. I just don't get it. Fudge, just curious, did you read the Carlin thing that Kid posted? Hell, even if you don't agree, it's still funny, and it does make you think about it.... I'd have to agree with the anti-stupidity comment. I'm not flat-out calling you wrong - believe what you want - but I'm going to make you think about why you believe it. I'm not trying to break you, make you a non-believer, just as I would shoot a person who walked up to my door and tried to force me to believe. | ||||
| Cap'n Fudge | posted on 02-28-2001 @ 3:48 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | FTL, I hold you and Kid in high respect, along with several other board members. The whole religion thing is a weird issue. I read the Carlin bit. I agree with with some elements...I'm really not the most religious person. I just had more questions with what was being said. A screen play I wrote years ago was similar to some concepts in Dogma and it really doesn't agree with church teachings. As I've stated, neither do I. I believe that people are creatures of free will. Whatever they do is the result of their choice, not some divine plan. I think God is a little too busy to plan my schedule. This is probably the most times I've be quoted or directly replied to. Ventriliquist Detective [email protected] | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 02-28-2001 @ 4:16 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | That's why I'm really enjoying this. This is shit that really makes you THINK. And there's no right and no wrong, just a damn good debate. Damn, we should have intelligent debates more often. | ||||
| Kid Afrika | posted on 02-28-2001 @ 4:20 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | Intelligent debates are hard to come by without an influx of "Dillon"s. Religion is the one topic that hits home with a lot of people. It's a great topic to debate, but you can not enter into it trying to change others' beliefs. I just like to examine the reasoning behind religion. Especially since my mother has recently become a "Jesus Chrispie". I feel that most religious beliefs, lacking reason, and make sense only to those of faith. Well, I have faith that I will be able to fly someday... it's just not going to fucking happen. :D This message was edited by Kid Afrika on 2-28-01 @ 4:26 PM | ||||
| Rookie Stature of an Oompa Loompa! | posted on 02-28-2001 @ 4:31 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | I consider myself religion-free. I literally know nothing about it, and I'm not really interested to learn. I've never been to church, never read the bible, nothing. Most people in my age group went to CCD, Sunday School, got Confirmation, Communion, and all those other Catholic milestones that mean absolutely nothing to me. I did none of it. I was Baptized. That was the first and last time I was in church. 30 years ago. I don't know if there's a God or not, and I don't really care. I tend to be uninterested in things I can't prove right or wrong. I'm a creature of logic, and to me, religion is illogical. Why should I believe what priests tell me? Why should I believe what church goers tell me? Why? Where's the proof? My point in this rambling is that religion is fine if you want to believe it. If you don't that's fine too. Just don't force feed it to me. I have never practiced any religion, and I never will. And until you prove to me that I'm going to burn in the "fiery pits of Hell" for that, I won't budge.
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| Guv'nor | posted on 03-01-2001 @ 6:24 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Dec. 00 | The reason I personally doubt GOD exists is that science continually provides flaws in religion. Until scientists worked out why we get thunder storms/rain people believed shit like 'God is angry with us' and all that. People used to believe that God lived in 'the heavens' until we travelled past the heavens, now what? He lives on another plain? If you look at early religion you can see how it has changed through scientific discovery. Some cultures believed that animals where gods and we may find this amusing but who's to say there's not people somewhere laughing at our idea of a God that lives in the sky? Religion has it's uses, like teaching people basic right and wrong, but I don't see that religion teaches you that better than a decent parent could and when you consider the amount of bloodshed due to religion I find it fucking hysterical and quite sick bearing in mind in every religion murder/killing is definately a sin  | ||||
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