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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: O2 To Go?!?! | ||||
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| Mr. Brownstone | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 4:32 PM |    | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00  | How the fuck do you add oxygen to water without turning it into hydrogen pyroxide?! This product seems like the biggest load of shit since Stacker II. Maybe someone who know's their chemistry better than I do can help me out with this. BoxOfWine will be attending the Mr. Brownstone Academy of Dance until 7/20, one more opening available. | ||||
| Doc Smith I Love Anthony Zinni | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 4:35 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | Water is more stable than hydrogen peroxide. Hear me out, I'll try to explain it...I'll try not to lose you Water is a big atom compared to Hydrogen, much bigger. I don't have a periodic table here in front of me to give you exact numbers, but it is something like the difference between a pea and a raquetball. Most of that space is where the electrons are, in things called orbitals. There are positively charged protons in the center. Still with me... When two oxygens are next to each other, they try to get as far away as possible because they have so many electrons around them (16). That negitive charge density is very high and their positive nuclei are buried under all those oxygens. So, oxygen doesn't like other oxygen (that's why 02 is so reactive, it will "oxidize" most metals because that is more stable than the 02). OK, we're close to the end...hang in there. Hydrogen is tiny. Itsty bitsy. Teeny weeny. It's nucleus is much closer to its outer electons, so oxygen likes it a lot more. So, if given the chance, oxygen and hydrogen will form water, since that means oxygen doesn't have to get too close to more oxygen. OK, that's about it...now a little more Then how does peroxide exist if it is not as stable? Well, it is still a much lower energy state for both hydrogen and oxygen than being free, so it will stay that way unless it is given the energy needed to change in to water. That is called the "activation energy". It's like an energy hump that the molecule has to get over in order to do something other than sit there. That's why if you let a bottle of peroxide get too hot, it will react with itself and turn into water and hydrogen gas (not fun stuff...goes boom) I hope that helps  I can levitate birds. No one cares. | ||||
| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 4:35 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00 | They were making fun of it a couple of weeks ago when they were talking about marketing. H2O can't go to H2O8 without some bad shit going on. You can't change the chemical makeup of somethign without screwing around with fundamental things. They say it's clear but comes in a tinted black containr- oh no, that's the color of H2O8 (shhhh) The narrator in Fight Club is the man we will be, Patrick Bateman in American Psycho is the man we want to be Eliza Dushku- Hotter Than Britney | ||||
| FoundryMusicScott | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 4:42 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 00 | They've started those live reads for that product today? Damn, I wish I caught the first one. Did they laugh as they said they probably would? I thought the company would have bailed out on the show when the guys discussed how ponderous it was a few weeks ago. But that is a good question, what would H2O8 be? E-Mail Me "You think about that now."- Thomas Patrick McNulty, from 'A Kind of Stop Watch' Episode of the Twilight Zone | ||||
| Arthur Dent | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 4:44 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Nov. 00 | The bullshit is that you can add flavor to DISTILLED water by adding oxygen. ALL the flavor in water comes from the minerals, etc IN the water. H2O and O2 have NO flavor whatsoever. And yes, you CAN dissolve oxygen in water WITHOUT changing the water molecules. It's an IONIC bond between the H2O and the O2. It just has ABSOLUTELY NO FLAVOR!!  An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with fools. --Ernest Hemingway "I don't read books, but I have friends who do." -Presidential Candidate George W. Bush "I get to go to lots of overseas places, like Canada." - Britney Spears | ||||
| Doc Smith I Love Anthony Zinni | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 4:46 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | OK, this was a question about one of the live reads? Oops, now I feel dumb. I thought this was a question for your chemistry mid-term or something If that live read is for what I think it is, a product that "oxygenates" water, all it does is dissolve more oxygen in the water. You can dissolve a gas in a liquid, just like sugar in water. It's how soda has fiz and it's what allows fish to breath. Since most humans only take oxygen in through their lungs...this product sounds like shit to me I feel so out of the loop until I can get into my car at around 5:30 or so I can levitate birds. No one cares. This message was edited by Doc Smith on 7-25-01 @ 4:50 PM | ||||
| Mr. Brownstone | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 4:48 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | Than doc, but that doesn't answer my question. Let me restate it: H2O is water, H2O2 is hydrogen peroxide. Thus then H2O + O2 ---> H2O2 (I know the equation isn't balanced, I can't be bothered now). My question is how do you add oxygen to water without turning it into another chemical? BoxOfWine will be attending the Mr. Brownstone Academy of Dance until 7/20, one more opening available. | ||||
| BallsackTeabagger | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 4:55 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jul. 01 | Sometimes these products make me giggle. YES, oxygen can be disolved in water and exist along side of H2O without changing the actual compound. H20 plus O2, equals H20 and O2. They don't combine, that would make hydrogen peroxide, we know that. When we mix carbon dioxide in water to make soda, the compound for water does not change, it only becomes H20 and CO2. They exist together but are separate. BUT: it's useless, like someone said before me, we don't abosorb oxygen through our digestive system, we use our respiratory system. It's tasteless, odorless & useless. I don't get it, whatever. This message was edited by BallsackTeabagger on 7-25-01 @ 4:59 PM | ||||
| Voyer bus window licker | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 4:56 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 01 | ack... i fucking failed biology... what are you guys talking about??? what is this distilled water you speak of?? Graduated from Brokenjaw's school for newbies ages ago E-Mail Me | ||||
| Doc Smith I Love Anthony Zinni | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 4:58 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | quote:One thing you're forgetting, every chemical reaction required energy for it to start. You have to somehow boost the molecules over that energy hump called activation energy. Sometimes the activation energy is such that the molecules or atoms can be above it at room temperature, that's why when you pour an acid on a sugar, it reacts right away. The reaction to add an oxygen to water would take a lot of energy since O2 is more stable than H2O2. So unless the mixture is heated to above that activation energy (I don't know what it is and it would require my freshman chem book which I haven't seen in 4 years for me to find it) which I'm pretty sure is high based on the relative stabilites of the reactants nothing will happen. If there isn't enough energy, the whole thing sits there and does nothing Wait, does this product allegedly turn water and oxygen into H208? If that's the case, it won't. H208 is highly unstable, it would take a lot of energy to form it and it would probably be rather corrosive...just a hunch I can levitate birds. No one cares. | ||||
| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 4:58 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00 | Wow, no wonder you failed biology VB--this is a chemistry questions. The narrator in Fight Club is the man we will be, Patrick Bateman in American Psycho is the man we want to be Eliza Dushku- Hotter Than Britney | ||||
| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 4:58 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00 | Wow, no wonder you failed biology VB--this is a chemistry questions. The narrator in Fight Club is the man we will be, Patrick Bateman in American Psycho is the man we want to be Eliza Dushku- Hotter Than Britney | ||||
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| posted on 07-25-2001 @ 5:05 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | Ballsackteabagger and Doc Smith summed up the chemistry pretty nicely, and I'll add to it. Follow this logic.....You can dissolve oxygen in water, however, there is a saturation point at which no more oxygen can enter the liquid. I'm pretty sure that when O2 is dissolved in water, it binds to the hydrogen atoms thus then forming weak hydrogen bonds. It makes perfect sense!! One way to dissolve more of a gas into a liquid is to cool the liquid. One example is when you leave soda out at room temperature, the CO2 gases out of the liquid faster than soda that is in the refrigerator. Anyway, I don't know what the saturation point of water is, but even if the did get 8X the amount of O2 dissolved in water, the O2 will start to gas out as soon as you open the bottle of H2O to go. Josh  | ||||
| Mr. Brownstone | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 5:06 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | Ok, new question: Even if the product did deliver extra oxygen top your body, would it be useful? Red blood cells can only hold X amount of oxygen at one time, this is known as the oxygen saturation rate and is measured in percentages. Healthy is 96% - 100% O2 saturation rate and pathological coditions are around 90% and below. I believe that anything delivered above 100% is useless and maybe dangerous, but I can't be bothered to get out my textbooks while I'm on vacation. Right? BoxOfWine will be attending the Mr. Brownstone Academy of Dance until 7/20, one more opening available. | ||||
| Cap'n Fudge | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 5:11 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Doc Smith, You can explain how the elements react, how water is made and how peroxide can solve world hunger, but you still can't tell me how many licks it takes to get to the Tootsie Roll center of a Tootsie Pop??? (The Owl was biting after 3 licks, thus then nullifing the experiment) I hate this job! I hate this goddamn job and I don't need it!!!  [email protected] People say that I neglect my responsibilities But I don't mind cause I'll live longer. Need Adoption??? Now accepting applications for the crew. | ||||
The sky is blue | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 5:18 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Oct. 00 | Chemical Elements I'm still saved.... Tune in next week for Gooch's creative works on my status! | ||||
| GrkqtOandAfan Claim staked by FTL. | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 5:41 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | sorry boys i had to do it:   CIT (Cuties in Training): none, have room for 2 email me if you want to be a Cutie Yahman - Certified Cutie as of 6/19/01 | ||||
| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 5:43 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00 | Now we have no choice but to set up cameras in your room/bathroom Grk The narrator in Fight Club is the man we will be, Patrick Bateman in American Psycho is the man we want to be Eliza Dushku- Hotter Than Britney This message was edited by IkeaBoy on 7-25-01 @ 5:44 PM | ||||
| FoundryMusicScott | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 5:50 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 00 | Let me just throw in one more question- if you fall from a height of 150 feet, how long does it take to hit the ground? "You think about that now."- Thomas Patrick McNulty, from 'A Kind of Stop Watch' Episode of the Twilight Zone | ||||
| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 5:52 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00 | I know where the question came from but: a=32.2 ft/s^2 is the acceleration on earth. s= 150 ft. vi= original velocity ignoring freefall... s=Vi*t + .5a(t)^2 150= 0*t + .5(32.2)*t^2 150= 16.1 *t^2 t= 3.05 seconds Happy? The narrator in Fight Club is the man we will be, Patrick Bateman in American Psycho is the man we want to be Eliza Dushku- Hotter Than Britney This message was edited by IkeaBoy on 7-25-01 @ 6:06 PM | ||||
| Kid Afrika | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 6:04 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 70 | Huh?!?
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| FoundryMusicScott | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 6:10 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Aug. 00 | Looks like I got called on that one. That round goes to Ikea. I thought that still remained one of those unsolved mysteries. It was either that or make a Spaz reference. "You think about that now."- Thomas Patrick McNulty, from 'A Kind of Stop Watch' Episode of the Twilight Zone | ||||
| Doc Smith I Love Anthony Zinni | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 6:51 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | quote:Um, no...not really. O2 is non-polar, it doesn't make hydrogen bonds, the oxygen in water does because it is assymetrical quote:Uh, no, sorry, wrong again. You can dissolve more solute (thing you dissolve) in a hotter solvent (thing that it gets dissolved in). Try dissolving sugar in hot water and cold water and you'll see. The reason soda goes flat faster is because the CO2 comes out solution faster when everything is moving around quicker (when it is warmer) When you dissolve something, you're essentially cramming crap into the spaces in between molecules of the solvent. When something is hotter, the molecules are further apart, so you can stick more solute in it. Grkqt...I'll get you back for that one. It's not my fault I'm an engineer...we're a sad, sad bunch Cap'n Fudge: Berry 1,156 Chocolate 983.5 Orange 1,241 Cherry 1,485 Grape 1,242 You must use HTML to add a link. Use the following format: this has been done many times I can levitate birds. No one cares. This message was edited by Doc Smith on 7-25-01 @ 7:03 PM | ||||
| Is Don on the phone? | posted on 07-25-2001 @ 8:23 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | First, macroeconomic theory, now chemistry... THIS JUST IN- DICK JOKES ON CNN!!!!!!  AIM:isdononthephone | ||||
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| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote:that's the only thing anybody has said in this thread i actually understand  Professional Slacker I should get paid for this crap... | ||||
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