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| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 08-09-2001 @ 9:05 PM |    | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00  | Networks: Bush to Back Limited Stem-Cell Research By Steve Holland CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - In a defining moment of his tenure, President Bush will announce on Thursday whether to allow federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research, taking a stand on the politically volatile issue after months of soul-searching. Television networks quoting sources close to the decision said the president had decided to support some federal funding on limited embryonic stem-cell research but exact details were not known. The debate pits those who believe stem-cell research can lead to medical advances in a variety of illnesses against those opposed to any research that destroys human embryos. From his Texas ranch, Bush will lay out his decision and the reasons for it in a nationally televised speech of eight to 10 minutes beginning at 9 p.m. EDT. It will be his first such prime-time address and he was giving it from the one-story, simple house that he used before moving into a new ranch house. Bush is bound to anger one side or the other whatever he announces and there have been indications that he was trying to find a compromise that would allow federal funding for some research. That would be a reversal of a campaign position from last year. The announcement could be politically perilous because if he allows some funding, it could alienate Catholics and core conservative supporters like the Christian right who were crucial to his narrow election last year, and if he does not, he could lose moderate voters. After months of deliberations and hearing from dozens of people from bioethicists to lawmakers to Pope John Paul II, Bush reached the decision on Wednesday. CLOSELY GUARDED SECRET It was a closely guarded secret and only a small handful of aides knew what it was. One possible compromise was outlined last month by a close Bush ally, Tennessee Republican Sen. Bill Frist, a physician. He said both embryonic stem-cell research as well as research with adult stem cells should be federally funded with a carefully regulated framework in which embryo donors would have to give written permission. Frist opposed the creation of human embryos solely for the purpose of harvesting stem cells, and opposed cloning embryos for medical research -- positions Bush seemed likely to embrace. On Thursday, Bush got ready for his first evening prime-time address by practicing his remarks, taking a run around his property and working on a nature trail. White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Bush had carefully considered ``all the scientific and ethical issues involved'' and that political implications did not enter into his decision. ``This is a decision that will have far-reaching implications for our nation 20 to 30 years from now and beyond,'' he said. GREAT POTENTIAL Stem cells are primitive cells which have the ability to transform themselves into many other types of cells. They offer the potential of regenerating damaged organs or tissue. Many scientists believe stem cells can be used in treating brain maladies like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's diseases, as well as diabetes, heart attacks, strokes and spinal injuries. Many religious and social conservatives who believe life begins at conception oppose the idea because stem cells are typically derived from leftover human embryos that are created at fertility treatment centers and are slated for destruction. Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota said on Thursday if Bush did not authorize federal funding for stem cell research, he would push legislation in Congress to do so. Speaking to reporters in Washington, he said, ``If the president comes out with another decision short of the one we hope he will make, it is my expectation that we will schedule legislation sometime this fall.'' He said it has wide bipartisan support in the Senate. Shares of companies involved in stem cell research soared on Thursday amid optimism Bush will allow federal funding for at least some aspects of the research. Experts believe permitting the federal funding would widen the number of scientists involved and accelerate the search for cures to diseases once thought untreatable. Leading scientists and research advocates predicted a ban on government money for embryonic stem cell work would boost research into so-called adult stem cells -- cells found in the bodies of children and adults that have begun to show some of the same potential as embryonic cells. Bush is a Methodist who opposes abortion. During last year's presidential campaign and as recently as last May Bush asserted his strong opposition to research ``that involves destroying living human embryos.'' Pope John Paul II, whom Bush met last month in Italy, has cautioned the president against the creation and destruction of human embryos for research, as have conservative Protestants who are also staunch abortion foes. A recent USA Today/CNN/Gallup poll said 55 percent of Americans supported spending federal money for the research. Bush aides have refused to say which way Bush is leaning on the subject. His wife Laura noted recently ``a lot of those embryos will be destroyed anyway or disposed of anyway'' while adding ``there's certainly a life side of it as well.'' I have to add that I agree with experimenting on stem cells. The narrator in Fight Club is the man we will be, Patrick Bateman in American Psycho is the man we want to be Eliza Dushku- Hotter Than Britney | ||||
| Spuds_Buckley | posted on 08-09-2001 @ 9:06 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Good! I, for one, am against abortion. But this is for the fight against deadly disease. This clearly has nothing but a large upside to it. The christian church needs to recognize that this research is not done out irresponsibility (ie crack whores and others who are too irresponsible to take all precautions to prevent unwanted pregnancy), but out of care for the rest of human civilization Kiss Me I'm Duff! | ||||
| Corpsegrinderjunk | posted on 08-09-2001 @ 9:16 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Aug. 00 | I for one am pro choice. Abortion is a choice that should be available for women. I think the research will be a good thing though... Why fucking bother "Think before you write" - Froy E-Mail Me | ||||
| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 08-09-2001 @ 9:19 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00 | I'm pro-choice, pro-research, pro-progress The narrator in Fight Club is the man we will be, Patrick Bateman in American Psycho is the man we want to be Eliza Dushku- Hotter Than Britney | ||||
| TheGooch Mullet Master Yo Gooch, Moron here... how's that for some fucked up shit... Fez is giving you status... Karma sucks, huh? | posted on 08-10-2001 @ 1:01 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Sure he ok'd it...someone's got to grow him a brain. | ||||
| Austin The Dark Enforcer/Angry Stoned Pimp G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. New World Order Secret Police Chief Proud Inventor of the "Cream Cheese, Peanut Butter and Jelly" sandwich | posted on 08-10-2001 @ 3:14 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Feb. 01 | I was watching Bush make his speech tonite and I gotta tell ya something...Clinton was much better with the speeches. Its sad to see Christopher Reeve makin a talkin or on TV he is really messed up and hopefully this will help him. As much as Ant's Ron Reagan Impression is hilarious they guy has basically been through it all and cant remember shit....that just sucks. I am completly Pro-Choice. Women Desereve the right to make their own choices.  Still Lookin for answers, Sitting around a nervous wreck Still popping percoset I wanna kill sumthin Thx to FN Moron for the sig. | ||||
| dubinsk | posted on 08-10-2001 @ 8:46 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 01 | Stem cells have UNLIMITED potential. You can fix damaged organs, but in a short while...i guarantee that you will be able to build your own organs for spares. No more DONOR lists, no more celebrities jumping to top of lists, etc.....just use stem cells to grow new ones...all they need is proper instruction (DNA!!!) to create whatever you want. Truely amazing potential and im convinced that alot of the media didnt want to be one sided so they left out just how versatile and damn right useful these cells are. -Jon "these grits are off the hook yo!"  | ||||
| Doc Smith I Love Anthony Zinni | posted on 08-10-2001 @ 8:53 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | I bet he will get hosed by both sides on this one though The scientific community will say he is not doing enough, not allowing for new embryos to have their stem cells harvested. The religious right will say it is still wrong to provide federal money to something that involves dead embryos A good compromise always leaves both sides angry I for one am all for stem cell research. It seems to have potential for all kinds of curative treatments, and we have to make a moral and logical decision about what takes precedence, our beliefs over the right to life of an embryo, or the advancement of medicine. Not an easy choice  Stupidity should be painful | ||||
| skitchr4u G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Xtreme Skiing Assualt Force | posted on 08-10-2001 @ 8:57 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | I can't believe it...the moron from texas finally did something right! Congratulations GW, in my eyes you just earned you month long vacation. Now can I bang Jenna??  AIM: SkiT4you First Member of the JWO Kindest regards to Grumpy for the sigpic | ||||
| o&aswallow | posted on 08-10-2001 @ 9:04 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | He OK'd the research because he thought it was about research to grow new roses for the White House rose garden. Genetic research is so far beyond Dubya's comprehention he just signed this to get it off his desk. o&aswallow Recognized His Destiny Early. Too Many Hotties, Not Enough Horny Goat Weed Now accepting foster children applications. Cash only, no checks. Email at [email protected] Frat Guy has rented one of the foster bedrooms as of 7/21. Yes ladies, another college boy is in town for you to ravage. It at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed. - Curly Howard. Pennsylvania resident, but original NYC listener. | ||||
| spitfire421 | posted on 08-10-2001 @ 9:42 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | Just playing devil's advocate for a second (not saying I think this because curing friends/relatives from horrible, debilitating diseases is a good thing) I do agree with the research, definitely, though- they were just going to destroy the embryos anyway but, whatever happened to Darwin's Theory of Evolution, Survival of the Fittest? If naturally-occuring diseases don't decrease the population of the world, what will? What will happen when it is overpopulated? On the other hand, is this part of evolution? That our minds have progressed far enough to develop the technology to do this sort of research and cure these diseases, especially in post-industrial societies. And there will always be new diseases to eff us all up.  So blow our mind and make it lazy Those long long days with no escaping I hold the wheel to let it go Don't wanna stop, don't wanna know If it gets you down, well just don't blame me If only we're nothing at all I have adopted graffixrulz into the School of Altered Reality[Email][email protected]">E-Mail Me | ||||
| Doc Smith I Love Anthony Zinni | posted on 08-10-2001 @ 10:01 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | I don't really think this is what Darwin had in mind when he came up with his theory, but it sort of applies Organisms evolve ways to defend against stuff that kills them, like immune systems, immunity to certain toxins, really big sharp claws, things like that. Well, in a way, that's what this is, a new way for the human race to defend against stuff that would otherwise keep them from living longer and breeding. There's a rub though, this is not spead through transmission of genes from parent to child, it's done through use of medical treatments throughout society. It is sort of like natural evolution in overdrive. It is way faster. Instead of it taking thousands of years and hundreds of generations for these defenses to be spread thoughout the population, it will be done in a few hundred years. In the wild, if one species has a population surge, the things that eat it have to evolve new ways to kill it, they do, and then the population stabalizes. Since there really aren't too many predators for man, there is nothing to keep our population in check. It's going to have to come down to people having smaller families and having children later in life. So huge medical advances, like antibiotics and vaccinations lead to overpopulation, because we "evolve" much faster than anything else. It leads to another difficult decision, how do we curb our instinct to breed Stupidity should be painful | ||||
| dubinsk | posted on 08-10-2001 @ 11:18 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jan. 01 | If we're smart enough to develop stem cell technology, then god damn i hope we're smart enough to curb the population....pick one: we either die of Alzhiemer's or we did from lack of natural resources, same difference.... Oh how do we curb the instinct to breed: TAX BREAKS....:) "these grits are off the hook yo!" | ||||
| Mike Rotch | posted on 08-10-2001 @ 12:30 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 01 | Survival of the fittest went out when helmet laws for kids on bikes were passed and morons successfully sued McDonald's for making their coffee too hot. Today's society does not believe in survival of the fittest. We believe in slowing everything down for the fucking morons straggling behind so they won't be offended and or hurt. (Side note: I am especially bitter today because I know the retarded f'ing C that I work with would not have survived on this planet this long if the world wasn't being made idiot proof. God I wish I had a spade shovel, a garbage bag and some free time to take care of this bitch.)  "Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning. A non-functining mind is Clinically dead. Believe in nothing..." | ||||
| The Painter 1/2 a bottle of Jack Daniels... it's a cure-all | posted on 08-10-2001 @ 12:39 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 00 | President Bush:quote:I hope I'm an Alpha  | ||||
| IkeaBoy P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal I will die a traitor's death | posted on 08-10-2001 @ 2:46 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Veteran Registered: Sep. 00 | Do you think when Bush saw Huxley's name on the teleprompter his brain just said "Does Not Compute! Does Not Compute!" I agree with Survival of the Fittest but we live in a world that supports death of the fittest. How so? By wasting time making sure stupid people who deserve to die live the people who deserve to live lose out on a lot. The narrator in Fight Club is the man we will be, Patrick Bateman in American Psycho is the man we want to be Eliza Dushku- Hotter Than Britney | ||||
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