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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: News on Scott Steiner, Mr. Perfect and Shawn Stasiak | ||||
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| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 04-16-2002 @ 10:42 AM |    | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00  | quote: Glad to see Steiner looks to be coming in soon.  | ||||
| Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! | posted on 04-16-2002 @ 5:25 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | Wow, Vince never lets injury reports or, in Guererro's case, drug use, get in the way of fucking with the competition's head, does he? Oh wait, did I just refer to the WWA as competition? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Sorry, must be the fucking 91 godamn degree heat getting to me. 1. 94 Wins and NL East Title by the Mets this year 2. Hate the Braves with a passion 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 4. Mets win World Series 5. Hopefully come up with a better name for the Crack Commitee than something the Mad Dog came up with. Come on! | ||||
| JackDan1974 | posted on 04-16-2002 @ 5:30 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jul. 01 | This sucks for the WWA, but I have been wanting to see Big Poppa Pump talking smack to the Rock....and having him bring his valet's is not a bad thing eithier. | ||||
| rageparty 123...Not so bare anymore since I got a number underneath my name again I also have an imaginary girlfriend. | posted on 04-16-2002 @ 7:17 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | Great to see Steiner coming in. Stasiak and Perfect???? give me a break, poor Curt... | ||||
| Se7en | posted on 04-16-2002 @ 10:14 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 01 | Too bad the idiots in the WWA don't have Steiner on contract. Otherwise, I'd sue Vince's balls off for possessing a monopoly. "Being a bastard WORKS." --Spider Jerusalem | ||||
| Subzero316 TERRORIST voted most likely to get searched at the airport Subama Bin Zero (© AntsInMyPants - 2002) Seriously need to rethink my concept of "funny" Alkey is my bitch! I'm havening a hard time fittening in. It's official, I am seriously a complete and utter ass-tool, please anally rape me with a rusty 5 iron wraped in barbed wire. I am the new Balloon Not. Be careful around me ladies, I don't use common sense. | posted on 04-17-2002 @ 12:16 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | I hope Vince and the WWF can control Steiner because he is one crazy son of a bitch. Master of the Cold.... | ||||
| Crimson Mask | posted on 04-17-2002 @ 12:21 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Apr. 02 | I read a rumor that the Steiner Brothers will be working a May 5th show for New Japan, offcourse if this is true Scott wont be at Backlash or with the wwf at all any time soon... So Vince is probably going to have to stick some other poor bastard in the fucking laughing-stock that is the NWO... my first post :) | ||||
| JackDan1974 | posted on 04-25-2002 @ 6:24 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jul. 01 | quote: No Kurt Don't do it, but hell yeah Scottie Steiner... From Ditch Wrestling site :-D | ||||
| rageparty 123...Not so bare anymore since I got a number underneath my name again I also have an imaginary girlfriend. | posted on 04-25-2002 @ 6:36 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | Kurt gone for 2 years??? He can kiss his WWF Career good bye then. He'd get left behind and forgotten, it would be even worse if he didn't win the Olympics :( | ||||
| nobones | posted on 04-26-2002 @ 3:57 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Apr. 02 | Where do you think Kurt's career is now? He has one of the lowest downsides of all the top-tier talent and he is consistently booked to look inferior to HHH, Rock, Taker, Austin and even Kane more often than not. If I remember correctly HHH was slapping his bare ass on Smackdown a few weeks ago. His babyface run was a bust, he had the worst-selling book by a current WWF wrestler (including when Chyna was in the WWF) and he is still spending the majority of his time feuding with mid-carders. His time came during the HHH/Steph love triangle that should have concluded with Kurt winning the strap and the girl after getting the clean win in the ring. Instead that angle was drawn out until no one cared about it anymore and Kurt never got the girl branding him as a loser. Who wants to cheer the underdog that doesn't win? If Kurt had gotten Steph he would have finally looked cool- the ultimate ingredient for a successful babyface run. But I guess everyone knows who was behind the failure of that storyline... Who knows if Kurt will even make the team considering he's much older than he was when he won the Olympics the first time around and he's been taking many more "supplements" to enhance his size since joining the WWF. If he does well in the Olympics, I'm sure the WWF will be able to use it to promote his return. If he wins he'll be on top of the world and will bring pro wrestling an unprecedented degree of legitimacy. If he bombs and doesn't even make the team, the WWF will either turn it into an angle to milk his crybaby heel character or they will just ignore it altogether. This is kind of what Ken Shamrock tried to do when he went back to No Hold Barred Fighting, and the WWF still tried to bring him back after Shamrock's return to NHB fighting was a bust. As it is, Kurt recently signed a 5-year deal with the WWF with a ~$450,000 downside/year so at the very least he'll come back to more or less the same position he was when he left. As for Steiner, I saw him wrestle some midgits a few months ago and he had a noticable limp in his walk. From what I understand he's suffering from "Drop Foot Syndrome" which is based on nerve damage he suffered in his lower back after coming back from back surgery a few years ago. Apparently the WWF is willing to bring him in if he agrees to wear some sort of foot brace to minimize his limp. Don't ask me how a brace is supposed to do make a limp disappear, but I don't imagine Steiner will wrestle much considering he's pretty damn rich from being a cheap bastard, some wise stock market investments and isn't pushing for nWo-like pay (Hogan - $1 mil, Hall/Nash - $600k a piece). Probably will just come in as an 'Enforcer' type role for the nWo after Flair reveals he is the nWo's secret leader. "Cheering for Hogan is letting the terrorists win." This message was edited by nobones on 4-26-02 @ 4:30 AM | ||||
| nobones | posted on 04-26-2002 @ 4:31 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Apr. 02 | quote: How many wrestling promotors in this country can even begin to pool their pennies together to initiate litigation against Vince? He already has a monopoly (ever since he bought out WCW and ECW died) and no one has dared to attempt to sue him for any anti-trust findings. Besides, do you really think the Supreme Court (and OH YES, Vince will take things that far) gives a crap wether there is a monopoly in wrestling? Hell, the only people that have a clue how to run a wrestling promotion nowadays pretty much all work for the WWF now (except for maybe Terry Taylor), so it isn't like there is anyone out there that could succeed even if Vince helped them out. quote: I think the main reason Steiner was so nuts in WCW was because the 'lunatics were running the asylum' so to speak. Steiner knew he could get away with cutting unscripted promos and getting in fights backstage in WCW and groping women in parking lots since WCW had no real leader. This is not true with the WWF... quote: I guarantee you that if the WWF says they want Scott Steiner on RAW this Monday night, Scott will totally blow off NJ and go to RAW. Sure he'll burn his NJ bridge, but who really cares? As for the nWo, bringing back that angle was Vince's idea (to the protest of just about everyone else in the company) so I guarantee you he'll push that angle for a long ass time. From what I understand, the plan is to have Austin feud with Flair where Flair will reveal (in the next few weeks probably) that he is the secret leader of the nWo and that was the reason he drafted the nWo to the RAW brand and that's why he screwed Austin during his Backlash match and that is why he put Big Show in the main event with Austin last Monday. From what I hear Steiner might come in as some sort of bodyguard or 'Enforcer' for the nWo who will add an air of legit heel heat to the group and will be able to spike buyrates and ratings for at least a couple months. The WWF changes their mind on a daily basis, so none of this might go through, but from what I understand this is what Flair has been wanting (to be a main event heel) and what Austin has been wanting (to be in a main event program) and it has been what the WWF has been trying to build up over the last few weeks. "Cheering for Hogan is letting the terrorists win." This message was edited by nobones on 4-26-02 @ 5:02 AM | ||||
| JackDan1974 | posted on 04-27-2002 @ 12:09 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jul. 01 | quote: I do believe that was the orginal story line, but then HHH started fucking her. I think it is a big thing with valets, and wrestlers. Take for example Benoit was bieng escorted by a WCW promoters(I think he was a promoter) wife, and now she is Benoit's wife. | ||||
| krahzee | posted on 04-27-2002 @ 12:14 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | It was Nancy Sullivan (Woman I think), wife of Kevin Sullivan. | ||||
| krahzee | posted on 04-27-2002 @ 12:17 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | quote: I'm not a Vince fan, but he does not have a Monopoly. Is he the largest wrestling company in the US? Yes. Is he the only one with a national TV contract? Yes. That said there are other companies out the putting on shows all the time. Of course he gets the biggest names and best talent...he pays the most. That said it is a unique form of entertainment. Fans do not want to watch a show with inferior product. WCW & ECW no longer exist for the same reason the XFL is done. Too many fans (not smarts) though of them as inferior products and did not support them in the end. That is not monopoly, it is beating a rival into extinction through smart biz moves. You want to see a monopoly look at your local phone company or electric company. There you have no choice who you get those services from. If you want, your more than capable of tunning the WWF out and spending you money attending the indie shows when they come around instead. | ||||
| nobones | posted on 04-27-2002 @ 3:34 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Apr. 02 | quote: Oh yes he does. When Microsoft and AT&T got sued for anti-trust findings it was because they: A) controlled 80% of the market share B) did not allow vertical growth amongst aspiring competitors. Vince owns over 80& of the North American pro wrestling market share considering the WWF is worth roughly between $1 billion and $800 million and generates about $200 million in raw revenue per year while no one else can even operate beyond a $50 million budget much less actually turn a profit. On top of that, Vince has been snatching up talent, and stomped down the slightest hint of potential 'competition' that has reared its head in the past year. quote: Not at all. XFL failed because it couldn't possibly live up to its own hype and became a ratings embarrasement. NBC and the WWF always expected to lose big money on the league despite what they say now. WCW failed mostly because of two reasons: A) They refused to have the older talent put over the younger talent (until it didn't matter any more). B) Jamie Kellner double-crossed Eric Bischoff and the Fusient Media negotiations when he cut out the tv timeslot from the WCW sale package. This allowed Vince to buy WCW out from under the agreement Fusient Media Ventures and AOL/Time/Warner had since WCW became totally worthless without a guaranteed timeslot to anyone except Vince who had a tv outlet of his own. ECW died simply because they never made a profit since its inception. The early years of ECW garnered such huge losses and was in such deep debt with travel agencies, sponsors, wrestler contracts, venues, licensing costs that after accrued interest it could never dig itself out of its hole especially after they lost their TNN timeslot and couldn't even promote PPVs anymore. Maybe if Paul Heyman had been able to garner some corporate backer the same way NWA had gotten Turner to back it after Crockett sold the company to Ted Turner, ECW could have survived since their corporate sugar daddy could have absorbed their debts. Unfortunately this never happened and so ECW died. XFL had corporate backing and a primetime television timeslot and tons of momentum and initial interest but it couldn't live up to its own hype. quote: I think the Supreme Court found AT&T guilty of anti-trust findings in the eighties and broke that company in half. Last time I looked electric companies were splintered into a regional market system and there were over 100 different phone companie services offered to me in the Verizon phone book. Biggest competitor today where I live is Cavalier phone. "Cheering for Hogan is letting the terrorists win." | ||||
| krahzee | posted on 04-27-2002 @ 12:09 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | quote: You missed my point on this one. They failed because they became viewed as cheap knock off products in the eyes of the gerenral viewer. As far as Vince controlling 80% of the market, I don't know. HE is the only promotion that tours nationally on a regular basis. Still, his main two competitiors went out of biz. WCW was dropped from TBS and TNT because the head of TNT did not want to air wrestling on that channel any more. That is not Vince's fault. Vince has no control over which promotion will get a TV contract on another station and which ones will not. The problem has been that without a large pool of talented workers people want to see, and the financial backing to do so, no promotion has been able to land a TV deal. As far as Vince snatching up good talent, of course he does. But having the best employees has nothing to do with having a monopoly. There are plenty of other wrestlers out there for other promotions to use, but as I said before nobody has found the right blend of workers/financial backing to make it work. Source: ProWrestlingTorch.Com quote: That does not look like a monopoly to me. Now let's see if it works. If it fails it is because of poor biz decisions (making shows PPV, hiring crappy workers, ect...), not Vince. | ||||
| Guy Smiley | posted on 04-27-2002 @ 2:41 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Oct. 00 | Let Kurt Angle wrestle in the Olympics. I'd love to see a "fake" wrestler take the gold. It's true. It's damn true. | ||||
| nobones | posted on 04-27-2002 @ 4:27 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Apr. 02 | quote: ECW was viewed as a knockoff of the WWF? I think it's the other way around buddy. ECW had all the innovation to survive, it just couldn't hold onto talent and it couldn't dig out of debt. Plain and simple it needed a sugar daddy the way the NWA got a sugar daddy. quote: Who's blaming Vince? I blamed Jamie Kellner for backstabbing Fusient in the negotiations. He pulled the WCW timeslot AFTER having a press conference announcing Fusient's intentions for a buyout. Kellner went ahead and shook all their hands in a stock holder's press conference and then took away the only thing that made WCW valuable to Fusient...that is totally suspect. Yes, Vince has a monopoly. Go read the WWF earnings report for 2001 which has been posted everywhere. They generated $200 million in revenue and turned a profit. WWA didn't even get a 0.05 buyrate with the previous (not Eruption) PPV which after 4 quarters would only yield them at the most $4-5 million. Add to that $1-2 million per year in house show revenue and merchandise (yeah right) and they generate at the most $7 million per year. Last I checked 7 wasn't 20% of 200. All the other indie companies combined wouldn't contribute even $2 million in generated revenue, so Vince still has a monopoly since he would still control approximately over 90% of the market share. Jarrett's promotion would have to generate $25 million/year in revenue alone to absolve the WWF of its monopoly. I'll put down my next year's salary that it doesn't generate that much revenue in one year. I'll bet next month's salary that the Jarrett promotion fails since not even 75% of the WWF's own audience buys any of its PPVs and they have all the popular talent and production values and top workers. Why would anyone pay $40 a month to watch a bunch of no-names wrestle when Mania 18 (the biggest show in wrestling) drew a 2.0 buyrate meaning over 75% of the WWF's 8 million audience members didn't bother to order the biggest match up of the year: Hogan vs Rock. BTW, 2.0 is an amazing buyrate number. Monopolies aren't dictated by total number of competitors, but by market share and WWF owns a large enough market share to justify anti-trust proceedings. Not that it will happen, but it could if anyone was willing to fight Vince in court for many years. "Cheering for Hogan is letting the terrorists win." This message was edited by nobones on 4-28-02 @ 2:20 AM | ||||
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