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| Living Legend WankTruster What's this? IrishAlkey's chewtoy? Thus then: Living Legend=Faggot | posted on 04-30-2002 @ 11:58 PM |    | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 02  | Chris Jericho is by far the most mis-used wrestler in the WWF. First he comes in the WWf and clearly wins over the fans, but it takes him two years to win the tittle. Now only that, he had a some what lengthy tittle run, and loses it to one of the worst main events I saw in a long time, and then in return for all this, is rewarded for the night off at Backlash. I would hate to be Jericho right now. Who else do you think is mis-used?  | ||||
| JackDan1974 | posted on 05-01-2002 @ 9:38 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jul. 01 | RVD, D-von and Bubba Dudley, Lance Storm, Raven, Tommy Dreamer, Val Venis, ok let just say right now almost the entire roster. Things that need to happen RVD - main event status Dudley - put them back toghter APA - put them back togther NWO - make them really bad ass, or get rid of them Austin - for the love of god stop the "what" crap, and go back to the complete bad ass we know and loved HHH - Turn heel Y2J - Turn face  | ||||
| I swear it was this big Tussle King | posted on 05-01-2002 @ 9:53 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 01 | Definitely Taz. Remember him in ECW? The Human Suplex Machine? Comes to the WWF amid tons of hype and in his first match, gives Kurt Angle his first loss at a PPV. After that, he did dick. His most memorable fued was with Jerry Lawler. No disrespect to Jerry, but COME ON!! Angle went on to become a WWF champion and Taz went on to become the color man for Heat and then Smackdown. They could have made him into a monster with the right angle. Instead, I regress to the greatest speech in WWF history, given by Paul Heyman to Vince. Anyone who saw that will know what I'm talking about. ___________________________________________________________________ I'm bigger than the Devil combined with Schindler's list. | ||||
| Bloody Anus P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal HYBRID THINKS I'M A GENIUS | posted on 05-01-2002 @ 2:30 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jul. 00 | quote: I pretty much stopped watching the WWF after that incident. Truer words have never been spoken, and when Taz "attacked" him afterwards and the crowd was booing Heyman, the tiny shred of interest thst I had in the WWF just shattered. I just shook my head and turned off the tv. What a fucking shame that was. Anyways, speaking of Taz...I remember reading a while ago that the WWF thought it "didn't look good" when Taz would destroy wrestlers that were bigger than him. Apparently, a punch, a kick, and an occasional stomp make for much better matches. But the most mis-used wrestler has to be Perry Saturn. One of the best and most innovative wrestlers I've seen. I can only hope he follows the path of TAKA and gets the fuck out of there so he can actually wrestle. And I get the feeling he wants to, what with all the "punishments" he's had for being "too stiff", especially on jobbers who miss spots. Yup, a wrestler that actually cares about his in-ring performance, and he gets treated like shit and buried in the company. Welcome to the world of sports entertainment.
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| nobones | posted on 05-01-2002 @ 3:22 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Apr. 02 | Booker T is running at the top of my list right now. The guy is screaming for a face turn already. Jericho I would say was sort of damaged through political machinations and main eventer egos. He could have been much greater than he is now, but no one really ever put him over. He may never be able to fully recover to what he once was as an entertainer. Benoit was getting wasted pretty quickly around the King of the Ring match where both him and Jericho lost to Austin. Here's hoping he gets a mega push when he returns. Tazz has been wasted so bad that I don't think he'll ever be able to recover. He's so rusty now in the ring everytime I see him wrestle I shake my head. Christian is ridiculously misused as the booking committee see him as nothing more than a comedy heel and then they scratch his head when he can't draw any real heel heat because everyone views him as a joke. Big surprise that the better wrestler and better talker of the E&C team is the one to get buried huh? I guess Christian needed to start wearing bigger lifts and dying his hair more blonde... Kurt Angle is perhaps the best wrestler in the company right now (while Benoit is on the sidelines) and Angle is viewed as nothing but main event fodder. He has arguably the best mike skills outside of the Rock and Flair but he hasn't been in a main event match for months now. "Cheering for Hogan is letting the terrorists win." | ||||
| JackDan1974 | posted on 05-01-2002 @ 3:22 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jul. 01 | quote: You forgot about the most retarded of moves the Hulkup.... | ||||
| nobones | posted on 05-01-2002 @ 3:33 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Apr. 02 | I also forgot Lance Storm. This split sure has given him more tv time huh? Kanyon was getting nowhere fast before his injury sidelined him. "Cheering for Hogan is letting the terrorists win." | ||||
| Living Legend WankTruster What's this? IrishAlkey's chewtoy? Thus then: Living Legend=Faggot | posted on 05-01-2002 @ 3:34 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 02 | They could make Jericho about 27 times better, and still make him lose as much as he does. They're worried about less important things, like signing Goldberg, which will never happen, and what to do with the NWO. If I were going to spend so much time on the NWO, at least make them good. I get nautious whenever I watch RAW. | ||||
| I swear it was this big Tussle King | posted on 05-01-2002 @ 3:40 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 01 | quote: He is definitely mis-used. Again, I regress back to ECW. Saturn and John Kronus as the Eliminators vs Rob Van Dam and Sabu. Un-fucking-believable match. Some of the moves in that match had to be seen to be believed. I un-regress back to the future, and Moppy. Enough said. ___________________________________________________________________ I'm bigger than the Devil combined with Schindler's list. | ||||
| Stoned Again | posted on 05-01-2002 @ 4:35 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Feb. 02 | By far, the biggest misuse has to be X Pac. He is being used and that just does not make sense. | ||||
| burning in a lake of fire | posted on 05-01-2002 @ 6:01 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Mar. 02 | DEFINITELY lance storm, he came in with a good push and actually was getting heat with the fans, then he just faded away so the wwf could rush a feud that should have waited till wrestlemania(edge v christian) other misused.. booker t-in one fed he's the man on top, comes to the wwf and becomes shit sean o haire- the kid is a fuckin monster, him and chuck were bad ass in wcw, he has so much potential and what happens, hwa. it's such a shame ddp-poor poor ddp, he was the man in wcw, takes a buyout(losing a shitload of money)for the wwf, and whats his reward.1. a horrible squash from the undertaker2. the EUROPEAN FUCKIN TRASH title 3. an early retirement thanks to a no good peice of shit good ol boy, who shouldve been fired for not being over and working too stiff. tommy dreamer- any fan of ecw knows this, mick foley said it, it's just a shame mike awesome-so much potential, and i guarantee when he comes back he will be a jobber i actually dont think jericho or rvd are being mis used, jericho is main eventing most of the time, he was the first wcw/wwf champ which no matter how much stroke hhh has, he can never take away. rvd is just around the corner from the title, they just dont want to give him it without him being in for at least a year,(they only gave it to hogan cause they figure he doesnt have a year) when it comes to weight loss, subway sandwiches go hand in hand with AIDES | ||||
| Living Legend WankTruster What's this? IrishAlkey's chewtoy? Thus then: Living Legend=Faggot | posted on 05-01-2002 @ 6:21 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 02 | Every former champion has paid there dues to get that titte - RVD in my eye's hasn't paid as much as he should - He has been getting things handed to him ever since he came into the WWF. I mean, he only lost one match - and that was for the World Tittle. With a past like his - he can wait for the tittle -- Unlike Jericho who suffered 4 grusome years in WCW. | ||||
| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 05-01-2002 @ 6:40 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | quote:You know, this has to be the biggest line of BS going around these days. Not to single you out, Legend, but where's the rule that says you need to "pay your dues" in order to get any sort of push? If a guy is new, but he can work well, is over with the fans, and can draw money, why shoot yourself in the foot by holding him back? We've seen how well paying dues has worked for Tazz (announcer/jobber), Tajiri (jobber taking a backseat to his valet), Booker T, DDP, etc. All because a few guys at the top are insecure and feel threatened that the fans might like some new guy better than them (new to the fed, that is...most of these guys, including RVD and Jericho, have been wrestling for 10+ years). It's bullshit, and along with atrocious booking and writing and wrestling, "paying dues" is one of the bigger problems plaguing the current WWF product. Have you ever seen a baseball or basketball team bench a hot young rookie in favor of an aging veteran on the decline, simply because the rookie hasn't paid his dues? No, because that would hurt the team's chances for short and long term success. I know that wrestling is a worked sport (or "Sportz Entertainment," a phrase and idea whose time has passed), but it's the same principle. You do what's best for business, and paying dues simply is not best for business, regardless of what JR spews in his weekly shill report.  Metal / Wrestling / Baseball Ninja / pr0n | ||||
| FirstTime LongTime | posted on 05-01-2002 @ 6:46 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 02 | What about all that stupidity they put The Big Show through? What, with all those stupid outfits they had him dressed up in...Made him look like a complete fool... At the end of the day or at the end of the party, when everyone goes home, you're stuck with yourself. - Layne Staley | ||||
| rageparty 123...Not so bare anymore since I got a number underneath my name again I also have an imaginary girlfriend. | posted on 05-01-2002 @ 7:02 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | Austin - Will never be the same again... HHH - Turn Heel Every ECW Wrestler besides RVD - :( quote: Sometimes that is a good thing, it took HHH 5 years to win it and he made a great champ. They didn't missuse Y2J at first, they gave him the Undisputed Title for crying out loud! Only when he became champ Steph fucked him over. His 2nd reign will have to be good or else he will never be champ e-e-e-e-e-ver again! :-D  | ||||
| krahzee | posted on 05-01-2002 @ 9:45 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | quote: I agree, but in fairness to the WWF, if you read the Ross report, he had ACL surgery and is rehabbing it. If he can't wrestle, he can't be pushed. As stupid as the moppy thing was, fans did pop for him being a lunatic. O'Haire: young and fairly talented. The WWF was not convinced that he had the timing down the way he needed, or the repitiore needed for the WWF so they sent him to HWA. Not the worst thing in the world to have him learn from Les. Remember he did very little time in the old WCW Power plant and went straight to TV after that. If having him off TV for a year means him coming back alot better technically, then I'm all for it. Jericho: A great wrestler for sure, but let's face facts. He never got the kind of heat others holding the title got. Part of that is all of the other angles going on around him, and part of it is the WWF wrote shitty story lines for his fueds.I'm glad he isn't champ: It gives them a chance to tweak his charecter more subtly so that when he becomes champ again he will get the heat he deserves. The single wrestler the WWF is missing the boat on the most is Lance Storm. Gifted technically and he had a gimmick that was getting over. Still after 9-11, would it have been appropriate to have him come out and talk shit about how much better Canada was than America? | ||||
| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 05-01-2002 @ 10:14 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | quote:Did you see the reactions he got when he first entered the fed? Remember all the Y2J shirts and chants? Remember the reaction he got when he first won the WWF title (the match that "never happened")? Jericho's character would be much stronger if they hadn't spent two years burying him and making him "pay his dues." Metal / Wrestling / Baseball Ninja / pr0n | ||||
| krahzee | posted on 05-02-2002 @ 12:08 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | quote: That may be, but the fact of the matter is that he never commanded the audiance's attention as champion. Face it: the fued sucked and there were other people outshinning him in other matches. Not to say they were better matches or that others out wrestled him, but they were better hyped. They commanded more of the audiance's spotlight. HHH/Jericho wound up being a footnote to Hogan/Rock at Wrestlemania. By them giving HHH the title and fueding him with Hogan, the plan was to shift the WWF's main focus back to the title. As far as burying Jericho, I dunno. If fueding with Guerrero, Benoit and others like them means he gets buried, then bury him up to his neck. Remeber this: Jericho came into the WWF never having once wrestled for the WCW championship. To take a wrestler with that type of public perception and make him a contender overnight isn't a great idea either. Especially when you are supposed to be the better brand with the better wrestlers. I think the two years of matches with the aboved metioned names and others helped him in the long run. They solidified his reputation as a good worker. How many years did it take for guys like HHH to reach the title? Besides, Jericho had the IC strap numerous times over those two years. Being the #2 champion in the company isn't too bad for someone who's getting buried. BTW: as far as Jericho not wrestling Backlash, there was a rumor going around that they held him out incase Benoit was ready to wrestle. This message was edited by krahzee on 5-2-02 @ 12:30 AM | ||||
| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 05-02-2002 @ 1:43 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | Time to break it down...quote:After having your heat constantly destroyed for two years, it makes it difficult for the fans to take to you. What makes it more difficult is when you're portrayed as a fluke, lame duck champion, who can't even get a clean win over Rikishi. I seem to remember the fans taking to him quite well way back when he was the WCW Cruiser champion and conspiracy victim, they took to him when he debuted and the subsequent feud with The Rock, and go back and watch the tape, when he beat HHH in the "never happened" match, he got a pop that would rival anything Austin or Rock could get. Yes, I believe Jericho has proven that he's quite charismatic, and has that "it" that the WWF loves so much. quote:This is true. You say the fans can't "take to" Jericho, I say they can't "take to" a feud based on facial cream, dog shit, and Stephanie McMahon. The feud was not at all about the title, because it was a given that HHH would be winning it anyway, and since HHH has been working like crap in the ring since his return and makes a poor face, the matches were not enough to compensate for the awful writing. Add to that the aforementioned factors of a fluke win and overall weak run as champ, you get a feud nobody cares about. quote:And off Lucy the Dog and her poop. What a novel idea. quote:More guys spending time treading water and "paying their dues." Feuding midcarders with other midcarders is great and gets guys noticed, but in the end, they need the big guys to put them over in the end. These guys were rarely put over, and on the rare occasion they were, their heat was quickly extinguished, elevating noone. quote:This is irrelevant. I remember one of the reasons fans were so excited to see Jericho in the WWF in the first place, was because they thought he'd finally get the shot they feltt he deserved. After three years, sure he's a former champion, but is his position any different from when he debuted? quote:What public perception? The perception that he was an exciting wrestler, new to the fed, with the potential to add to an already healthy product? He's over, he's respected, he's had years of experience, and he can bring it in the ring. Which of these says "not ready to contend?" quote:Back then, they were the brand who gives younger guys a fair chance and doesn't have a bunch of fossils hogging the top spot. Hmm... quote:Others like Chyna? Two years of matches going back and forth with midcarders certainly did not help his perception as a major player, because the other midcarders were either awful, or in the cases of Guerrero, Benoit, and Angle, have also been looking up through that glass ceiling next to him. quote:But, he already had that reputation. ECW, WCW, the buzz on his entrance and feud with The Rock solidified his reputation as a good worker. Not midcard feuds with Kane over spilled coffee. quote:How many years did it take for the fans to "take to" HHH? Or The Blue Chipper? Foley made HHH. Because he still wasn't over when he won the belt, Foley (who was a top face and had everyone's respect) put him over not once, not twice, but THREE times. He gave HHH the ultimate rub by giving him the retirement match, and then came out of retirement to put him over again at the biggest show of the year. Has anyone even come remotely close to doing that for Jericho, or anyone else who might need some extra heat? Lucy the Dog and Steph just don't cut it. quote:Jericho had the IC strap. A belt that, since Jericho's arrival in 99, has been held by such luminaries as Chyna (as awful co-champion with Jericho), Rikishi, Val Venis, Billy Gunn, Albert, and Test. A belt which, shortly before Jericho's arrival, had been held by The Road Dogg and The Godfather. Treading water with a damaged title is still treading water. Jericho could be a star, should be a star, but isn't a star, and the majority of the blame can not be fairly placed on his shoulders. Period. Metal / Wrestling / Baseball Ninja / pr0n This message was edited by Sir Okonkwo on 5-2-02 @ 1:56 AM | ||||
| skitchr4u G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Xtreme Skiing Assualt Force | posted on 05-02-2002 @ 10:23 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Dec. 00 | most misused wrestlers... Lance Storm - no comment necessary Raven - Scotty Polo got more respect Lionheart Chris Jericho - screw Y2J, he was better as Lionheart Booker T...might as well let him be GI-BRO Nova - cause he isn't here yet Lo-Ki - see Nova Tajiri - Torrie Wilson isn't helping him out Tommy Dreamer - relegated to slurpies? Justin Credible - at least as Aldo people cared...  | ||||
| Ferret | posted on 05-02-2002 @ 11:05 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | The name TEST comes to mind.  | ||||
| Living Legend WankTruster What's this? IrishAlkey's chewtoy? Thus then: Living Legend=Faggot | posted on 05-02-2002 @ 4:34 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Apr. 02 | quote]Have you ever seen a baseball or basketball team bench a hot young rookie in favor of an aging veteran on the decline, simply because the rookie hasn't paid his dues? Your right, but did you ever see a buisness who just hires an intern, who is great as his job and all of a sudden make him VP? - And your telling me the wrestlers in the back werent pissed when Goldberg won the tittle within two months of even thinking about joining wrestling? -- You can take many angles on this subject but the fact always stays - As good as the WWF is.. it is 13 times worse.  | ||||
| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 05-02-2002 @ 4:50 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | quote:No, because that would be stupid, as an intern would still have no knowledge of the inner workings of the business they just entered. A wrestler, however, only needs to know how to wrestle and be able to draw fans to the shows. It's a dumb comparison. But anyway, quite often, a business will bring in someone from another company to be their VP. Or a baseball team will bring in another team's batting coach to replace their head coach, or another team's backup or minor league closer to be their starting closer. No paying of dues involved. quote:Two months? Check your time frame there. But fuck the wrestlers in the back anyway, Goldberg was a breath of fresh air into a stale product, he was over with the fans, and he was a draw. Pushing Goldberg was one of the few things WCW did right during that time. Killing his heat was one of the many things they did wrong. quote:What exactly does this mean? Metal / Wrestling / Baseball Ninja / pr0n | ||||
| burning in a lake of fire | posted on 05-02-2002 @ 7:53 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Mar. 02 | jericho was definitely not an intern in the wrestling business, he had more real time experience then a lot ofthe current roster at the time. but it's just how the wwf works things. on a side note anyone remember when the wwf gave big show the title,ecch,jericho had more going for him in his debut than big show has to this day. when it comes to weight loss, subway sandwiches go hand in hand with AIDES | ||||
| Harry Ballzanya | posted on 05-02-2002 @ 10:37 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 01 | quote: come on, you gotta be kidding me..he just received a mega push, from SNH commentator to Smackdown commentator...geez, some people are just impossible to please but seriously though, i have to say that one of the most mis-used wrestlers is lance storm. all you have to do is pull out an old ecw tape and watch just one match that hes involved in and youll see just how great of a wrestler he is. if youve ever been to his website and read his commentaries youd know that he has unbelievable respect and knowledge for the business. he is great to his fans and has that special look. as far as his personality goes, contrary to what everyone else says, i think it actually works to his advantage because they use that for his gimmick and it works well for him. talk about the greatest wrestlers to never win the big one (or even get a legit shot at it) Lance Storm has to be at the top of the list.
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