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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: King of the Ring Tournament? | ||||
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| paulzballz | posted on 05-26-2002 @ 3:04 PM |    | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Feb. 02  | I was just wondering who everybody thought would be in the King of the Ring tournament. I saw on the WWE website that there was a man walking with raw on one side and smackdown on the other. I thought maybe theyed start with 8 from raw and 8 from smackdown. I thought it could be something like this... RAW X-Pac (if only he would die) Brock Lesnar Bubba Ray Dudley Raven Booker T D-Lo Brown William Regal Bradshaw Smackdown Mark Henry Hurricane Maven Randy Orton Hardcore Holly Lance Storm Tazz Christian So what would all you guys think would be a worthy tournament? | ||||
| Cluster F | posted on 05-26-2002 @ 4:25 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Having 8 guys from each side is too much, unless thats the only thing that will happen in the PPV is the tourney. Id say 4 from each side would do, so we get quality length for each match, and still have other matches in the night. KOTR is a great opportunity to push talent, but not young talent. It is too early for guys like Randy Orton and Brock Lesnar to get MONSTER pushes. Austin and the Rock didnt get pushed at first either, so the writers need to be patient with guys like them (Orton and Lesnar). But, guys like Lance Storm and Test deserve a push, and this is the PPV where they should get it at. Also, Have the winner of this tournament fight the champion on RAW the next night. That must be a stipulation of this tournament, so that the winner doesnt have to wait for a month before getting a title shot. The reason why is simple from my point of view. It will build up the ratings for RAW, and give us entertaining matches.  Thanks to Austin for the pic 1. 94 Wins and NL East Title by the Mets this year 2. Hate the Braves with a passion 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 4. Mets win World Series 5. Root for and support Mike Piazza, regardless of his sexual preference Crack Committee Members: Cluster F, Rageparty, Bloody Anus, DiamondDust, JayMohrMassage, HammerSavage, PeterDragon, and 1888RustyTrombone...the force is growing. | ||||
| rageparty 123...Not so bare anymore since I got a number underneath my name again I also have an imaginary girlfriend. | posted on 05-26-2002 @ 5:02 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | Exactly! This tournament has to mean something! Edge should have got his title shot the day after he won, he did beat Kurt after-all. I am positive the WWF will push RVD (if it's possible to be pushed any more) and they'll keep the belt on Taker so he can lose it the next night to RVD. That would be cool...  Shit Can Happen | ||||
| Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! | posted on 05-26-2002 @ 5:09 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | quote: With all due respect, this is the same dumb logic that has helped the WWE get to this point of diminishing popularity. Build everything up for one Raw that gets a great rating and then watch the ratings go down again. See: HHH's return, Rock's return, nWo, everything else "major" in the past two years. Why should I buy the fucking PPV with this stipulation? So I can spend $30 for a 3 hour commercial of tomorrow night's Raw main event, seen free? So I can see a guy wrestle three meaningless matches as compared to the match he'll fight tomorrow? The rating would go up ONE night, and that makes no money for the WWE. The only way ratings make you money is if they consistently go up. No advertiser is gonna spend more money because you got ONE high Raw rating. It's gotta be a consistent rise, and you're setting yourself up for continued low ratings thereafter because you make it seem that one Raw is more important than others. Fine, I'll just watch that one Raw a month that's important then. The thing you should be concentrating on is PPV buyrates, as there, ONE good buyrate DOES make you more money. With your scenario, as I said, nobody's buying the KOTR because I can see the guy on Raw tomorrow fight for the actual belt. So, by your logic, the best scenario would actually be have the winner get a title shot at the next PPV. Well, then, you know what's gonna happen? It's gonna turn into the Royal Rumble. Predictable as shit, unless they try to be unpredictable and have a guy win so he can lose the title shot in February, which only diminishes the value of the Rumble anyway. Nobody new gets elevated, they'll stick to HHH winning the tournament since he'd assure a higher buyrate (in their minds anyway) and the KOTR all of a sudden means even less than it used to. Hell, I think the reason they MADE the KOTR a major PPV (it was done in house shows only in the '80s) was because 1993 was the first time the "world title shot at Mania" stipulation was added to the Rumble, and so the "good push for a midcarder" potental for the match was forever lost (although they had squandered it in 1990 and 1991 by making Hogan win it anyway) and they needed something to replace that. So, why kill the KOTR like they killed the Rumble (although I know the KOTR will never be the Rumble in popularity, but that's not my point)? So, in my opinion, adding that dumb stipulation only diminishes the value of the KOTR. The KOTR can be prestigious on it's own if they just hyped it properly, which they've admittedly done a terrible job of recently. They need to focus on it more in the buildup and have the guy be constantly mentioned throughout the year as "King of the Ring" (and not as part of his gimmick like with Owen Hart, just make the ring announcers and TV announcers constantly mention they are KOTR all year long, like they constantly mention a guy is champ) and all of a sudden, KOTR is a meaningful title and people will buy the PPV based on that and since you only see this great title be decided once a year. But, of course, the WWE has dropped the ball for years on that one. Adding stipulations would only make it worse. 1. 94 Wins and NL East Title by the Mets this year 2. Hate the Braves with a passion 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 4. Mets win World Series 5. Boo that piece of shit Rey Ordonez, regardless of his sexuality and/or deadbeat dad status. | ||||
| Cluster F | posted on 05-26-2002 @ 7:53 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | I understand where you are coming from DiamondDust, and i must say i partially agree with you. That is the logic they have been using lately, and it has not worked. However, what would you like to be on RAW the next night? Matches that really dont make any sense like Booker T and Goldust vs the Hardyz? Or this (my booking idea for the month): I believe that Smackdown has the next choice to choose a #1 contender at the next PPV. My idea is this, have Undertaker get saved again on this coming RAW in a title match by Flair, and have him fight on SMackdown. There, he will do a promo saying how he is the man, and then Edge will come out. How he stepped up to HHH a few weeks ago, he will do the same to Taker, thus prompting Undertaker to get a no DQ match the same night against Edge. During the match, have Kurt Angle come out and try to cost Edge the match, then after that fails, and the ref is distracted, have Hogan come out and cost Undertaker the title (thus giving McMahon "hell"). Edge is the new champ! As a result of this match, have a fatal 4way match at KOTR between Taker, Hogan, Kurt Angle, and Edge. Have Edge win it, thereby moving him to RAW (seperating him once and for all from Christian and Angle so that those 2 can start fresh, and giving RAW more of an impact). Now, the actual tournament. I would either have Booker T or Lance Storm win the thing, but i would also have guys like HHH and Jericho in this thing as well, and have Storm and/or Booker to beat these guys to give the KOTR victory some legitimacy. Id have Booker win so that the NWO actually means something. Time to face it, the NWO is here, they spent the money and time on it, so you might as well make it big. OR I'd have Lance Storm win it, beating HHH in the finals, with assistance from Test and Christian, and maybe Jericho...forming a new Team Canada/Hart Foundation unit (hey, they recycle everything else, why not recycle an idea that actually works with talent that is actually capable of making it work). Thus then, you get the most out of the talent you already have, and you advance good storylines and eliminate pointless ones. quote: LOL i like that, :) and the same respect is given to you on this response. Thanks to Austin for the pic 1. 94 Wins and NL East Title by the Mets this year 2. Hate the Braves with a passion 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 4. Mets win World Series 5. Root for and support Mike Piazza, regardless of his sexual preference Crack Committee Members: Cluster F, Rageparty, Bloody Anus, DiamondDust, JayMohrMassage, HammerSavage, PeterDragon, and 1888RustyTrombone...the force is growing. This message was edited by Cluster F on 5-26-02 @ 8:20 PM | ||||
| Se7en | posted on 05-26-2002 @ 8:47 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 01 | IMO, the King of the Ring tournament is pretty much almost worthless at this point, and has been ever since Billy Gunn won it.....it's value to elevate midcard talent is fairly negated these days. Edge, last year's winner, suffered through a year of fairly boring feuds and is just now being elevated... What I fear is that the bookers will try and push some talentless load upon us, in an effort to get them over (see above comment for Gunn), instead of taking a star who just needs that little boost to fully establish them as a credible threat (examples: Booker T, Lance Storm). Therefore, I'm fully prepared to see Mark Henry or Maven walk out with the crown.  "Being a bastard WORKS." --Spider Jerusalem | ||||
| paulzballz | posted on 05-26-2002 @ 9:22 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Feb. 02 | I think that elevating Lance Storm with him winning the KOTR would be a great choice. But with Booker T i'd have him leave the nWo and feud with them as a major face. The only real main event faces raw has now are Stone Cold, Bradshaw (get serious), RVD, Kane (injured), and thats it. That is pitaful compared to smackdowns HHH, Hogan, Rock (who is that again?), and possibly even Benoit. Having RVD have an upper mid card feud with Brock Lesnar would be amazing, plus that gives you the option to later bring Rhyno into that equation. But as of now on Raw it just seems as a sworm of heels and Booker T could be a good face turn to feud with the nWo. They have got to feud Chris Jericho with Hulk Hogan. I know Hogan is old but Jericho could work sooo great as a heel against him. I'd like to see HHH and Edge feud and thus far I like how Mark Henry has improved and i could see him rising to face a Kurt Angle in a feud. As far as Maven or Mark Henry winning the King of the Ring I'd be satisfied if one of them won. I'd rather them win then Hardcore Holly. I say this alot but it hasta be done. REBUILD TAZZ! He could have been such and amazing asset to the company. They had the perfect opportunity to bring him back to his old gimmick during the invasion when Austin waz bitching him out. But once again they failed to do so. If they had him snap on smackdown and leave commentating for good, and attack HHH or Angle or Jericho and have him beat them, then maybe he could finally work to his potential. That is basically some of the things i'd do to make the "WWE"(still getting used to that) a little bit better. | ||||
| paulzballz | posted on 05-26-2002 @ 9:22 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Feb. 02 | I think that elevating Lance Storm with him winning the KOTR would be a great choice. But with Booker T i'd have him leave the nWo and feud with them as a major face. The only real main event faces raw has now are Stone Cold, Bradshaw (get serious), RVD, Kane (injured), and thats it. That is pitaful compared to smackdowns HHH, Hogan, Rock (who is that again?), and possibly even Benoit. Having RVD have an upper mid card feud with Brock Lesnar would be amazing, plus that gives you the option to later bring Rhyno into that equation. But as of now on Raw it just seems as a sworm of heels and Booker T could be a good face turn to feud with the nWo. They have got to feud Chris Jericho with Hulk Hogan. I know Hogan is old but Jericho could work sooo great as a heel against him. I'd like to see HHH and Edge feud and thus far I like how Mark Henry has improved and i could see him rising to face a Kurt Angle in a feud. As far as Maven or Mark Henry winning the King of the Ring I'd be satisfied if one of them won. I'd rather them win then Hardcore Holly. I say this alot but it hasta be done. REBUILD TAZZ! He could have been such and amazing asset to the company. They had the perfect opportunity to bring him back to his old gimmick during the invasion when Austin waz bitching him out. But once again they failed to do so. If they had him snap on smackdown and leave commentating for good, and attack HHH or Angle or Jericho and have him beat them, then maybe he could finally work to his potential. That is basically some of the things i'd do to make the "WWE"(still getting used to that) a little bit better. | ||||
| Crimson Mask | posted on 05-26-2002 @ 10:05 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Apr. 02 | With the way the wwE is currently going im thinking Mark Henry, Maven, Bradshaw, or some other walking pile of pig shit will be the next King of the Ring. Lets all just hope its not King Vince or King Shane, lets all pray it is'nt Queen Stephanie (which in that case i can least imagine sticking my scepter into her ass, heh). Heres an easy way to start fixing the currently stale storylines. Let Eddie Guerruero pin Austin cleanly thus letting the best heel in the company finally take his role. Have Rvd beat the Taker for the title. This will lead to an Rvd - Guerruero feud for the title , they should let Eddie win the title at first chance, RVD is better as a face chasing the title. As for the tournament let Booker T pin the Big Show thus establishing him a face, and changing the sinking NWO faction. If anyone can let HHH vs Edge go with an Edge victory just because it would test if Edge is ready to be a player. | ||||
| rageparty 123...Not so bare anymore since I got a number underneath my name again I also have an imaginary girlfriend. | posted on 05-27-2002 @ 5:29 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | I think they should give Austin the IC strap. And Flair would make Austin defend the IC Title in the King of the Ring tournament, which would lead to Austin defending the title 3 times (Flair would be happy if Austin advances because he'd have to defend his title one more time) And have Austin face Eddie Guerrero in the finals. Booker screws Austin (Yeah we've seen it before but they never met on PPV and I would like that, it could get Booker noticed) and after Eddie wins KOTR, give him a feud with the Champ (I would like it to be Edge like Cluster suggested). Shit Can Happen | ||||
| TheBigRedMachine I LOVE TEH AUSTIN!!!11 | posted on 05-28-2002 @ 6:23 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jun. 01 | Thank you comeagain Adopted by Dana Dillon | ||||
| Stash316 | posted on 06-04-2002 @ 10:32 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jun. 02 | William Regal takes it all on June 23. 2002 KOTR. | ||||
| Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! | posted on 06-05-2002 @ 4:34 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | quote: Seeing as how you wrote that the night after Regal got eliminated by Booker T from the tournament, you, sir, are a fucking genius. 1. 94 Wins and NL East Title by the Mets this year 2. Hate the Braves with a passion 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 4. Mets win World Series 5. Boo that piece of shit Rey Ordonez, regardless of his sexuality and/or deadbeat dad status. | ||||
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| posted on 06-05-2002 @ 10:18 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Mar. 02 | I hope booker wins it (or lance storm but that wont happen), then the nwo helps hhh get the title back and he joins up. That will make them dominate once again. but because of backstage ego problems that probably wont happen. did anyone else notice on the raw when taker ripped the poster out of the fans hand in the front row.. the poster said "Is taker pregnant" thats priceless :-D wwe=eww | ||||
| krahzee | posted on 06-05-2002 @ 10:36 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | quote: Maven broke his leg and will be out up to 6 weeks. Mark Henry is entering another strongman contest before wrestling full time again. They gave Bradshaw the Hardcore title on RAW. Looks like you may get your wish..... :-D :-D :-D This message was edited by krahzee on 6-6-02 @ 12:11 AM | ||||
| Se7en | posted on 06-06-2002 @ 7:58 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 01 | Hey, unless they go crazy and try to elevate Val Venis (or, shudder, X-Pac), we'll get Booker T vs. Jericho in the finals of the King of the Ring. King Booker? King Jericho? Either sounds about right to me. then the nwo helps hhh get the title back and he joins up. That will make them dominate once again. Never going to happen. HHH is so far above the nWo now it's not even an issue. The fact that they actually pulled the trigger on the HBK return shows just how desperate they are (and how failed the nWo experiment has become). Best bet would be to have Booker win the crown and feud against the nWo as a face. I, for one, would pay good money to see Booker scissor kick Michaels' head off. "Being a bastard WORKS." --Spider Jerusalem | ||||
| rageparty 123...Not so bare anymore since I got a number underneath my name again I also have an imaginary girlfriend. | posted on 06-08-2002 @ 6:34 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 01 | I didn't want to start a KOTR thread with no matches made for it yet so I'll use this one. I got this from RajahWWf.Com....quote: Looks like another PPV loss for Kurt, if he doesn't lose it won't be clean. Would be cool if they debuted someone in this match but the chance of that is slim.  Life Isn't This message was edited by rageparty on 6-8-02 @ 6:35 PM | ||||
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