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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: Scoot Steiner to join WWE in August or September, according to Scott himself | ||||
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| Cluster F | posted on 07-02-2002 @ 2:36 PM |    | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00  | Thank god, i have been waiting for him to come to WWE for a long time. Hope he isnt just saying this for the hell of it. Imagine, after summerslam, with a Kurt Angle vs Scott Steiner match. Classic. Scott Steiner Update Posted By Ashish on 07.02.02 -Scott Steiner is now apparently telling friends that he will debut in WWE in either August or September. Steiner was scheduled to take part in the WWA's European tour in July, but that has been cancelled. No word on whether this will speed up talks with WWE. Credit: Pro-Wrestling Torch Newsletter; RajahWWF.com  Thanks to Austin for the pic 1. 94 Wins and NL East Title by the Mets this year 2. Hate the Braves with a passion 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 4. Mets win World Series 5. Win 22 out of the next 30 games (starting on June 15th) Crack Committee Members: Cluster F, Rageparty, Bloody Anus, DiamondDust, JayMohrMassage, HammerSavage, PeterDragon, and 1888RustyTrombone...the force is growing. | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 07-02-2002 @ 2:48 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Debut at Summerslam or night after on Raw. Anyone? | ||||
| Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! | posted on 07-02-2002 @ 6:14 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | quote: Either you forgot these: [Sarcasm] [/Sarcasm], or you, my friend, have been shooting up too much heroin. Kurt Angle is brilliant and all, but you think he can carry a cripple who was never really that good of a wrestler to begin with to a classic match after he's been out of action for so long? I mean, what do you think Angle is, God? Well, ok, he is. But even God can't work miracles THAT big. As for the signing, if it's true: Wow! you guys are excited. You know like you were excited when the nWo came back and when HHH came back and... and... I'm starting to see a trend here, folks. This will be another dumbass move by the WWE. Concentrate on the young guys, will you, Vince? 1. 94 Wins and the NL East title 2. Hate the Braves with a passion. 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 4. Mets win the World Series | ||||
| Subzero316 TERRORIST voted most likely to get searched at the airport Subama Bin Zero (© AntsInMyPants - 2002) Seriously need to rethink my concept of "funny" Alkey is my bitch! I'm havening a hard time fittening in. It's official, I am seriously a complete and utter ass-tool, please anally rape me with a rusty 5 iron wraped in barbed wire. I am the new Balloon Not. Be careful around me ladies, I don't use common sense. | posted on 07-02-2002 @ 6:24 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Night after on Raw.  "Scorpion stinks and I don't like him" | ||||
| Cluster F | posted on 07-02-2002 @ 9:56 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: lol. I guess im just hoping for the Scott Steiner that carried WCW and made it somewhat tolerable to watch during its collapse. That Scott Steiner gave good matches, and his mic skills and fan interaction are great. Granted, he's not the Steiner who does the Frankensteiner anymore, but he can still be an asset on the mic and in the ring for the WWE. Thanks to Austin for the pic 1. 94 Wins and NL East Title by the Mets this year 2. Hate the Braves with a passion 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 4. Mets win World Series 5. Win 22 out of the next 30 games (starting on June 15th) Crack Committee Members: Cluster F, Rageparty, Bloody Anus, DiamondDust, JayMohrMassage, HammerSavage, PeterDragon, and 1888RustyTrombone...the force is growing. | ||||
| Se7en | posted on 07-02-2002 @ 10:50 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 01 | quote: Interesting that you mention the nWo & HHH. Cause I'd argue that Steiner, "cripple" that he is, is BETTER in the ring today than is HHH (who could also qualify as a cripple), and I do know he's a damn bit more entertaining than the nWo in its present incarnation.  The HHHaters Why did the Game cross the glass? To hold down the talent on the other side! "Being a bastard WORKS." --Spider Jerusalem | ||||
| sgt hartman | posted on 07-03-2002 @ 8:41 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jun. 02 | fuck that, steiner is ten times better than hhh, and since their wont be stone cold to job him off to, he might have some credibility. I was excited when the nwo came in, if it wasn't for no sell steve austin the angle would've been good. i admire your honesty, hell i like you, you can come over to my house and fuck my sister | ||||
| krahzee | posted on 07-03-2002 @ 11:00 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | quote: What do you call Cena ( who looked pretty good on Smackdown last week btw) , Batista, Brock and Randy Orton? I don't remeber this much new talent appearing on WWE in such a short period of time in quite awhile. The only problem with your logic is that the WWE still needs big names now. Hogan will retire soon, Austin is gone, Nash and HBK can't wrestle ( 1 sucks, 1 won't), and the Rock will leave for yet another movie in 6 weeks. That leaves the only active big names as RVD, Y2J, hhh, Angle, Beniot, and old man inc. (Taker, Flair, Hogan) That's 8 guys for two shows. While extended fueds are great, the same matches week in and out will get boring. There is not enough time to build a big name. WCW was in the process of trying to push guys when they fell. They lost all of thier big names to injuries, WWF, or Scott Hall type of shit. They never got big names back in to replace what they lost, and they lost the fans as a result. Brock and the rest will be the stars of the company in a few years, but they don't do shit for them right now. Politics and personal opinions aside, guys like Stiener, HHH, the Rock, Hogan, ect... are the ones who put asses in seats and sell merchandise. Does anyone remeber the response Stiener's name got on the Raw/Nitro show? Or the look on Vince's face during the response? Should the WWE bring in Stiener? YES. Set him up in a tag team with a young guy coming up, and that guy will be able to get over by association. Plus, as a tag team guy, Stiener would not have to wrestle nearlly as much, thus lowering the risk of injury. And when the tag team does break up, the younger guy going over him in a fued would give the guy a strong push toward the top. This message was edited by krahzee on 7-3-02 @ 11:01 AM | ||||
| Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! | posted on 07-06-2002 @ 12:45 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | quote: You make some good points. However, I will argue that the WWE is nowhere NEAR the financial peril that WCW was in. Hell, the WWE actually made a PROFIT for God's sake last quarter. Business is down big time, but was so big not so long ago, that they're still not losing money. So, the "not enough time" line is bullshit. They have plenty of time. Did you watch the WWF from early 1996 to early 1998? They were in 10 billion times worse straits financially (supposedly, they were this close to going bankrupt at around the time you know who got screwed) and all they did was basically try to give the God push to all new talent while using their big name talent left (well, um, actually that only included Bret Hart and Taker since HBK was faking death every other week) to put the other guys over (Austin, Mankind, Goldust, etc.) Some of the new guys worked, some didn't. But they put guys out there and for two years, the product was somewhat less than stellar, but it was setting up for the big times. They lost more money as 1996 went on, but they stuck with the plan and also got a little lucky with timing (the aforementioned screwing) and withstood a 10 billion times worse finanical crisis than that of today to lead to the biggets boom this industry has ever seen. It took TWO FUCKING YEARS of being bitchslapped by WCW and weekly 2 ratings on Raw. You mean to tell me the WWE of TODAY doesn't have enough time? I laugh at that notion openly. If just putting out the big names will put asses in the seats, then how come WCW didn't still bury the WWE in 1998 just on the names of Hogan and Savage alone? They were bigger names at the time than Austin, although by the end of the year that was not the case. Hell, by your logic, let's never push anyone to the main event and let's keep Hogan fighting for the World title forever cuz fans don't want to see someone new! AND WATCHU GONNA DO, WWE, WHEN ALL YOUR MAIN EVENTERS DIE OF OLD AGE ON YOU, BRUDDER! EARTH TO YOU: The REASON fans are leaving in droves is because they see the same old fuckwads in the main event and they'll see Steiner in the same fashion if they watched WCW in it's dying days. And if they didn't, they won't fucking care about him. There's a reason why Hogan was forced to lose the belt. Him in the main event was percieved as "the same old guy in the main event" even though he hadn't been in a legit money making main event in 5 years. They need to just put new guiys in the main event and see what sticks. Keep Brock in SummerSlam's main event. If he doesn't draw and doesn't get heat, then dump him and try someone new. Don't force feed me new "dream" matchups like Steiner v. HHH in a Steroid Needle on a Pole Match. Cuz I ain't dreaming about anything involving either of the two. How did the Hogan v. HHH dream match work out? The Rock v. Hogan dream match led to a disappointing buyrate for Wrestlemania. WE DONT WANT DREAM MATCHES. We want something new and original and innovative (at least by wrestling standards anyway). So, please Vince, don't sign ol' Steroid Steiner. Instead, push John Cena to the moon and see where it leads you. Yeah, it'll hurt you for NOW. However, more money is in your FUTURE if you do. 1. 94 Wins and the NL East title 2. Hate the Braves with a passion. 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 4. Mets win the World Series | ||||
| DonWest | posted on 07-06-2002 @ 4:46 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | Steiner better than HHH? What a joke. Watch Steiners matches from the last few years, then watch HHH's matches from the last few and if you can still say that than something is wrong. | ||||
| krahzee | posted on 07-06-2002 @ 7:31 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! You missed my point entirely. Here is why you sign big guys now: $$$$$$$ I don't give a shit who you are, or what type of biz you are in. You always try to make $$ NOW. That was my point. You can bring in big names and push rookies at the same time BTW. That is the ideal way to do things. As, I said before, a guy like Steiner would be very effective if used the right way. What would be so wrong with bringing him in and teaming him up with a solid worker like Cena? It's the same thing they are doing with Hogan and Edge. It gives Edge even more of a push, gives the belt credibility in that a big name team now holds it instead of Billy and Chuck, and it allows the WWE to limit Hogan's workrate. That's the same thing they are doing with Regal/Chris from Harvard, Devon/ Batista, and by using Heyman as a mouth piece for Brock. By putting them with an established personality, these guys get elevated by association. Plus, when they break apart from thier respected "Veterans" the fueds alone will help to elevate them. quote: The WWE has probably about 8 guys at the top right now on two shows. Logic would say that is 4 heels and 4 faces over two shows. How many fucking main events can they come up with with this? If they bring in guys like Stiener, they can have them main event a Raw or two. I personally see no reason to buy a ppv when I see two guys who are going to compete at it wrestle each other three or four times before it. That does not mean guys like Stiener have to main event a PPV where they may not be able to go for as long, but they can freshed up a Raw or two inbetween PPV's. As far as old guys not selling shit goes, here is the top ten items of WWESHOPZONE: Top 10 Sellers 1. Hardy Boyz Ball and Chain Pendant 2. RVD Pendant 3. Stacy Keibler Poster 4. Rock Bring the Whuppin T-shirt 5. Stone Cold What? Skull T-shirt 6. Hardy Boyz Tank Top 7. HHH The Game DVD 8. Hulk Hogan Tie-Dyed Tank Top 9. HHH Pain is Temporary T-shirt 10. Hulkamania T-shirt For two guys who suck, Hogan and HHH move a decent amount of product. This message was edited by krahzee on 7-6-02 @ 7:45 PM | ||||
| Se7en | posted on 07-06-2002 @ 9:32 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 01 | quote: I'm not looking at their combined body of work (but even if I was, Steiner's had better matches than HHH, but I'll give him more experience as the better factor). I'm looking at how they are NOW. Today. Let's compare Steiner's last year of competition in WCW to HHH's time in the ring since returning form his injury. IMO, HHH is absolutely NO better than Steiner. If anything, I'd rate him as worse. For a guy who was tearing it up in 2000 / 2001, he's become a SHELL of his former self, and anyone who disagrees that he hasn't lost a step is fooling themselves. He's eternally wounded, and there's the possibility that he will never regain what he once had. I will give HHH some credit - part of the problem is who he's paired up against. Steiner in the final days of WCW was fortunate enough to work programs with good to great workers like Booker T & DDP. HHH has been stuck fighting slugs like Hogan & Undertaker, who need to be carried themselves. quote: The Hardy Boys sell well too. Doesn't mean either of them should be anywhere near the main event. The HHHaters Why did the Game cross the glass? To hold down the talent on the other side! "Being a bastard WORKS." --Spider Jerusalem | ||||
| krahzee | posted on 07-06-2002 @ 10:31 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | quote: Agreed. My whole point was that speaking from a biz point of view a guy like Stiener can be an asset to Vince. I don't want to see him Main Event a PPV either. That said, he is a big enough name that bringing him in to put someone over, or having Main Event the occasionaly Raw or SD to freshed things up ( as opposed to seeing the same matches that are going to be at the next PPV on tv every week before it) would not neccesarily be that bad. Some of the older guys can still be of some use if used the right way. As far as the Merchandise argument goes, I was trying to prove a point. Guys like Hogan, the Hardy's ect... do not belong main eventing PPV's. That said they are kept with the company because they make Vince money through merchandise. I would argue that merchandise can sometimes affect the push of some guys. The Hardy's are constantly selling a ton of shit. As a result they have recieved quite a few pushes, or attempted pushes. You think you would have seen Jeff go against Taker if they did not sell so well? Nope. But their sales, combined with the pops they get, made the WWE consider it because they knew the average fans would want to see it. I have said it before, and will say it again. Vince could give a fuck about the internet smarts. They make up a small percent of the viewership. Most fans just tune in Monday and Thurs. to watch and that's it. They do not post on message boards. If the majority did, then judging by the overwhelming consensus I have seen at almost every wrestling website, why do guys like Hogans, and HHH still get the pops they do. Or the Hardy's for that matter. Why do they sell so much merchandise? That was my point. You can hate Stiener, HHH, Hogan, ect..., but no move that makes you money is ever a bad one. Especially if you bring in someone who will not hinder the elvation of new talent. If you can bring a guy like Stiener in as a team player who is willing to help put over newer guys, then everyone wins. Stiener gets $. Vince gets $. The fans get exposed to that newer talent that much quicker ( associating someone with a guy like Stiener would surely get them noticed and taken seriously as a contender that much quicker), and the rookie gets one hell of a push when all is said and done. Everyone wins. This message was edited by krahzee on 7-6-02 @ 10:32 PM | ||||
| Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! | posted on 07-07-2002 @ 11:07 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | krahzee, you, my friend, are assuming Steiner is willing to put guys over. Knowing his past (remember the stink he put up to job to Booker T on the final Nitro, among many other instances where he's been tough to deal with backstage), I would say that is a pretty big leap. And T-shirt sales are REEEEEEEEEEEEEALLY what drives a company. Geez. The thing that matters above all is buyrates. And Hogan is stunted in the midcard right now because he couldn't draw in the buyrate category. Are you naive enough to actually think that the plan all along was, "Hey, we can bring Hogan in, and he can tag with Edge and get him over!" Are you naive enough to actually think when the WWE brings Steiner in, they will NOT push him into the main event right away? Especially for the money he'll probably want? Instead, you think they'll use him to give a rub? They might once his main event push dies off and he doesn't earn the company a dime because he's not working out, but that would be only by necessity. I hope you are having fun in DreamWorld. And you know, getting $$$ now is all fine and dandy. I mean, hey, IT WORKED FOR ENRON!!!!!!! Holy Christ. In business, you better plan for the future or you will be fucked. If it means making less money now, do it to get more in the future, as long as it doesn't kill you in the present. I take it you never majored in business? You gotta be 8 steps ahead in the business world, or you'll be dead tomorrow. THAT is why the WWE should be looking for the future, and stop wasting time on these money losing ventures with the nWo, Hogan, and Steiner. And, to top it all off, if Hogan made such an impact on the ratings and buyrates that they've gone DOWN since he came, how much of an impact will Steiner, who was the highest drawing guy in the dying days of WCW, which is like saying Randy Winn is the best hitter on the Devil Rays, have? The biggest name in the history of the industry had no impact but a fucking guy who, the last time 80% of the audience saw him was one half of the Steiner Brothers, IS???? ARE YOU ON CRACK???? And don't give me the whole "yeah, but he got a nice ovation on the last Nitro" bullshit. Hogan gets good ovations, too, and I've illustrated how good HE'S been for business. 1. 94 Wins and the NL East title 2. Hate the Braves with a passion. 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 4. Mets win the World Series | ||||
| TheJays This status sponsored by: P®oJë©T M@¥h?m: I MAKE COOL PICTURES Proud To Be An American | posted on 07-07-2002 @ 2:29 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: Dumbass, t-shirts give the company an idea of who people are tuning in to watch. Oh, and it's not ppv's that only generate money. Advertising and merhandise.  | ||||
| Se7en | posted on 07-08-2002 @ 12:01 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 01 | quote: Of the complaints I've heard about Steiner, refusing to job isn't one of them. You can fault him for being a roid freak, but he's not even on the same scale as the "beloved" Kliq when it comes to jobbing. Case in point, X-Pac, who pleaded a back injury this past Monday to get out of jobbing to Booker T. I don't know the facts about the last Nitro, but if Steiner didn't want to lay down for Booker, I would imagine it would have more to do with the fact that at the time of the match his leg was literally dead, as in NO feeling at all. It was a miracle he even worked the match. quote: Hogan bashing is so yesterday. The ratings and buyrates were plummeting long before Hogan or the nWo arrived. Hogan's tenure as champ was brief. If anything, his power both as a draw and in the back is neutered. And Undertaker's run with the belt, from a financial and ratings standpoint, is a BIGGER disaster than Hogan's run with the gold. quote: Steiner's no worse than who they're pushing now. Undertaker as champ. Lesnar getting the God push despite not being over. They can hire Steiner, put him in a couple programs, and milk what name value they can out of him. It's a lateral move in my opinion. Hiring him would be no worse than the shit they're already doing. The HHHaters Why did the Game cross the glass? To hold down the talent on the other side! "Being a bastard WORKS." --Spider Jerusalem | ||||
| sgt hartman | posted on 07-08-2002 @ 9:08 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jun. 02 | well according to good ol JR, the rumors circulating on the internet about steiner are false. They haven't spoken to him in weeks, let alone cut a deal. BTW i like the idea of HHHaters; him and his girlfriend are the reason ratings are plummeting i admire your honesty, hell i like you, you can come over to my house and fuck my sister | ||||
| Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! | posted on 07-08-2002 @ 9:34 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | quote: Dumbass, Neilsen ratings that the WWE gets, that can give you minute by minute ratings, do a much better job. I guess nobody has ever bought a T-shirt cuz it looked good, huh? T-shirts make money, but they are not anywhere near as important as you are making them out to be. Again, I use Hogan, whose been selling shirts pretty well lately and, it has been shown, has led to decreased ratings when he's on SD. Can we get off the T-shirt subject. It is SO irrelevant. 1. 94 Wins and the NL East title 2. Hate the Braves with a passion. 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 4. Mets win the World Series | ||||
| krahzee | posted on 07-08-2002 @ 11:40 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | quote: I used the T Shirts to prove a point. From a biz standpoint, Stiener can make the WWE $. Just like Hogan does, and just like the Hardy's do. As far as Smackdown ratings go, Hogan has very little blame there in my opinion. Here are the reasons for the ratings shitting the bed: 1) The roster split 2) Piss poor booking. A) Angles make little or no sense, or are complete rehashes of previous storylines. B) Matches on TV that always end in some bullshit DQ, instead of the heel picking up a clean win C) Absence of some big names at the top of the card due to injury, movies, or leaving the company. When you seem to have to rewrite angles all the time due to guys getting hurt, it will hurt the product. Fueds are throw together at a moment's notice because one of two workers in a program is suddenly out with an injury. (Take the program and match between Eddie and Flair after Austin's abrupt departure) You can blame Hogan for alot of things and I would not argue with you. To blame him and him alone for the ratings shitting the bed is a little unfair. As far as Stiener goes, he is worth a shot. If he doesn't pan out he can go the way of Kronik, Perfect, and Hall. Vince is the only game in town, and these guys know it. Unlike when WCW was around, Vince no longer has to worry about keeping a guy who is difficult on his roster simply to avoid letting him go to the competition. There is none. If Stiener were signed and did not workout, he would be gone. But if he does work out, he could have some use. With both shows having seperate rosters right now, the WWE is shorthanded on big names. Stiener could help out by being in the second to last match or main eventing a Raw or two. That does not mean that he has to wrestle for the title or headline a PPV. (He knows, as well as Vince knows that he could never keep up that type of schedule.) But what it does mean is that you give the young guys a little more time to develop before being pushed to main event. I am all in favor of the push Brock is getting, but you can't give his push to a bunch of guys at the same time and expect it to mean anything. If they push a guy like Cena the same way at the same time as Brock, they steal each other's heat. Let the young guys stay at the pace they are at, by working with established Veterans and slowly building thier charecters.(Regal/Chris, Devon/Batista, ect...) When they are ready you push them one by one to the main event status as you demote guys like Hogan who can't go anymore or replace guys who leave. That is the way to build these guys. Not hotshotting them all in six months and seeing what sticks. By doing that, you may be throwing away the next Austin, Sting, ect... simply because you rushed things. THAT would be a bad fiancial decision. This message was edited by krahzee on 7-8-02 @ 12:02 PM | ||||
| Rev. Impactplayer | posted on 07-08-2002 @ 11:46 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jun. 02 | Will they be showing clips of him while playing U2's beautiful day? | ||||
| Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! | posted on 07-08-2002 @ 12:59 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | krahzee, you still don't get my Hogan point, and that's my fault cuz I haven't clarified. According to Dave Metzler, in the minute by minute raings, it is shown that ratings go down for Hogan's SPECIFIC segments from previous segments. I'm not talking about the show as a whole. I'm talking about Hogan's specific segments. There is no way you can't fault Hogan himself and his waning drawing power for that. 1. 94 Wins and the NL East title 2. Hate the Braves with a passion. 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 4. Mets win the World Series This message was edited by Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! on 7-8-02 @ 12:59 PM | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 07-08-2002 @ 1:20 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Those are not really accurate because I remember times that mark Henry and Mae Young and even XPac segments were bigger segments than things involving, Vince, Austin, etc. | ||||
| krahzee | posted on 07-08-2002 @ 2:39 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | Correct me if I'm wrong, but they do not do minute by minute ratings they do ratings based on Quarter hours (every 15 minutes). As for: quote: No there is a perfectly good way to not fault him. He goes to live events and gets major pops every time he comes to the ring. He sells alot of merchandise. IF he is not getting it done ratings wise then the problem is with WWE and not him. It's as I said before, piss poor booking, Last minute angles, and wrestling the same guy time and time again before being in the same match at the PPV. You want to know when my buddies and I get up to take a leak? When the match starts. We know if we miss a good match, we will see it again next week. I would suspect alot of fans do the same with thier remotes. Having two guys wrestle each other for three weeks leading up the PPV is stupid unless: 1) It advances the storyline 2) It creates enough of a teaser that fans will want to buy the PPV to see a full length match between these two guys. But having two guys wrestle each other week in and out, ending matches with the heel cheating to win all the time, or doing the stupid 1 guy from this tag team vs. one guy from that tag team is just lazy, half-assed booking. That is a bigger problem to WWE's ratings than Hogan will ever be. | ||||
| Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! | posted on 07-08-2002 @ 6:14 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | quote: Nope, they DO do minute by minute ratings. It just costs you more money to subscribe to that info. Publically, usually only the hourly or half-hourly ratings get out, sometimes the quarter hour, but if you want it detailed, you can subscribe to the minute-by-minute numbers, which apparently wither Dave Metzler or someone he knows, does. They are definitely out there, though, from a person I know who works for a network. Your other point is very true, and I totally agree with it. But, the problem with the theory, krahzee, is how come everyone else has that handicap (piss poor booking) and yet he's the guy who drags ratings down from THEM? And consistently. Therefore, you can't blame it all on a piss poor product. It means people don't want to see him. That may be BECAUSE of the writing (i.e. they've made his character somehow a bad one in the viewers' eyes), but it still means that he specifically brings the show down regardless. I may add that the fact ratings are down makes the fact that Hogan drives away the REMAINING viewers, who are the most loyal, even MORE pathetic. Hell, even if you were RIGHT, it just would prove my point in another way. If the WWE fucks up with Hogan through writing, how the hell are they NOT gonna fuck up with Steiner once he gets here? So, why waste the money on signing him? As for pops and selling shirts and that constituting him doing his job, in wrestling, there is so much more important stuff than pops and merchandise to the bottom line of a company. The biggest thing, once again, being PPV buyrates. That's where you cash in big time. Hogan killed the company in that category (though not all his fault, but still HE was the main event, so he gets more blame than most) and that totally negates anything good in the other, less important areas. 1. 94 Wins and the NL East title 2. Hate the Braves with a passion. 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 4. Mets win the World Series This message was edited by Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! on 7-8-02 @ 6:17 PM | ||||
| krahzee | posted on 07-08-2002 @ 8:13 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | quote: Bottom line is that certain guys like RVD and Beniot could work the crappiest program, but still put on an entertaining match. Others like Hogan and Stiener need a good program, because they are not the greatest in the ring. No argument. RVD will get decent ratings no matter what type of program he works because he can go in the ring. Again, no argument. I was personally a pretty big fan of the cruiserweights in WCW. The programs could be lame, but the matches, with the exeception of every guy diving over the top rope one after another, were for the most part entertaining. Guys like Hogan and Stiener could never do shit like that. They were brought in to be the big guys. Vince and everyone else knows that a guy like Hogan needs a strong program to get over. It's not exactly a revelation that he can't wrestle a Benoit type of match. My point was that you can't blame Hogan for that, when he doesn't write the shit. A guy like Hogan or Stiener can be good for the company if used in the right way. Hogan is clearly not. Having him job to Angle was pointless. He was already over. The fued should never had taken place. But Edge was hurt and the WWE needed a quick replacement to step in, so they used Hogan. Hogan should be the one wrestling guys on the cusp of being a main eventer. Guys like Edge, and the WWE's eyes, Test, Christian ect... BTW: Here is the earning of the WWE by category from thier website: Branded Merchandise: Total revenues were $26.8 million for the quarter versus $31.7 million last year. Advertising revenues were $21.3 million for the quarter versus $22.4 million during the same period last year. Pay-Per-View revenues – Pay-Per-View revenues for the quarter were $23.8 million. In period domestic pay-per-view buys for the quarter were 1.4 million as compared to 1.7 million last year. Live Event revenues – Live Event revenues were $15.3 million for the quarter Clearly merchandising DOES mean alot. It was thier biggest source of revenue for this past quarter. Tie that in with advertising and it is alot of $$$$. Those stats were leaving out things like licensing of video games (which were listed seperate) and home DVD's( also seperate) , since they are irrelevant to the Hogan or Stiener discussion. This message was edited by krahzee on 7-8-02 @ 8:27 PM | ||||
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