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| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 07-10-2002 @ 10:12 AM |    | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00  | I am heavily in the minority on this board, but I have been liking for the most part the WWE product. I watch with an open mind and just like being entertained. I don't need surprises or swerves every week or a new face every week. One thing that I thought of is that everything that could have happened in wrestling has happened. We have had invasions, dream matches become reality, shoot interviews, tlc matches, hell in the cell matches, wwf buying wcw, what else is left. Have we become so numb to wrestling now that everything you see sucks. People ripping the Jericho vs RVD match or people ripping on RVD, Brock, Tommy Dreamer spot, what do you guys want. I know a lot of the product has become complacent but in the 20 years I have been watching wrestling and there were many dark times, I always found something enjoyable and I always kept coming back to it. Watching wrestling has always been a big part of my life and I will continue to watch. The negativity about the product has gotten ridiculous, much of it uncalled for and a lot well deserved. WWE is all we got. No more WCW, No more ECW. WWA and XWF were big failures. NWA is trying to succeed only on PPV with not much promotion behind it. As far as I am concerned, if we lose the WWE, wrestling is over for me. You cannot be so critical about everything. You bitch and moan about everything. I think many times WWE has followed the direction the fans wanted and for teh most part have given them what they want. Watching wrestling has given me many memories and I hope that continues for a long time to come.  | ||||
| Cluster F | posted on 07-10-2002 @ 10:52 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Thank you Teenweek for voicing what the minority has to say about wrestling on this board. I am in that same minority. I doubt that what you said will satisfy the marks on this board, who bitch more than a woman thats ragging. You cant please these marks at all, unless there is a tv set with japanese wrestling on it. quote: I do too Teenweek, thats how you should watch wrestling. And that right there is the problem, these marks do not watch with an open mind at all.  Thanks to Austin for the pic 1. 94 Wins and NL East Title by the Mets this year 2. Hate the Braves with a passion 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 4. Mets win World Series 5. Go 52-24 over the last 76 games of the season, it can happen right? Crack Committee Members: Cluster F, Rageparty, Bloody Anus, DiamondDust, JayMohrMassage, HammerSavage, PeterDragon, and 1888RustyTrombone...the force is growing. This message was edited by Cluster F on 7-10-02 @ 10:54 AM | ||||
| Ferret | posted on 07-10-2002 @ 11:02 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | I actually like wrestling, that's why I watch it. Go figure. | ||||
| Precious Fatman | posted on 07-10-2002 @ 11:47 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 00 | Teenweek, I couldn't agree more. I can think of several examples over the last year that the WWF/E has sucked. The Hardys fighting each other, the entire Vengence PPV, any segement involving Mr. Perfect or the Godfather, and the entire tag team division on Smackdown. People have been pissing me off for months on this message board. First off, people that said Wrestlemania X8 sucked, must have been high when watching it. I thought it was really good and I even bought the DVD so I can rewatch a bunch of the matches. #2, the Y2J-RVD match at the K.O.R. was a great match. While I am getting sick of Y2J's character, that match was fantastic. #3, this past Monday's Raw. How could you say it was awful??? This show was really good. I mean everyone wants new superstars to get TV times. So you get two matches for Booker, Eddie G., Benoit and Bubba. You get the nWo, who I enjoy, talkin shit. You get a great ECW-ish segement for Tommy Dreamer and RVD against Brock and Heyman, in Philly! #4, as far as the T.E. competitors are concerned. Maven was finally getting better as the days went on till he got injured. Nidia is the perfect trailer-trash girl. Jackie and "Harvard" Chris need to get better and it takes time. Same goes to Linda, but she's doing the best of the new class of T.E. people. Just give them time and dont' critize them till they've had a real chance to perform. And finally, while I never watch Nitro or anything that had to do with WCW, I am sick of hearing people compare this to the end of WCW. Relax. I hear alot about the shit that went down during that ending. I don't see that happening here. Just a little slump that they are working their way out of. Give them time. Remember that wrestling is non-stop and goes on for 52 weeks, 365 days. It's not always going to be perfect or the same as it was back a few years ago. Just sit back and enjoy the show. Don't take it too serious, if you're not entertained then don't WATCH. As simple as that. Okay I'm done. SEE YA!! ---Blake a.k.a. Fatman, Big Show  | ||||
| SpaceGhost Whiny fucking bitch - just follow the sig guidelines like EVERYONE ELSE. | posted on 07-10-2002 @ 2:08 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 02 | i like your new sig pic, who is it? i cant tell on my piece of shit monitor at work but im gonna guess Silvia Saint. | ||||
| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 07-10-2002 @ 2:55 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | quote:I don't hate wrestling. There's just a whole lot of crap in wrestling right now that I just don't like. - I don't like sports entertainment. I like and respect the artform that is professional wrestling, and I don't enjoy seeing it cheapened with bad writing and bad acting. - I don't like having my intelligence insulted. Wrestling was never meant to be viewed on the same level as a Shakespeare play, but when every 5 seconds I'm saying to myself "that just doesn't make any sense," there's a problem. - I don't like the current WWF style of matches. It is very unrealistic and lacks credibility. The video game movesets, prevalent no-selling and under-selling, lack of psychology, and overuse of the hyper brawling have transformed actual wrestling matches into sports entertainment exhibitions. - I don't like the unrealistic, "larger than life" characters. What was so great about Cactus Jack back in the early to mid 90's, was that he didn't seem like some guy playing a character, he genuinely did come off as a psychopath. Steve Austin in his rise to the top, really was a tough motherfucker who didn't give a shit. He wasn't just Steve Williams playing a character. So many characters, for so long, have lacked credibility. - I don't like seeing people in the ring, who have no business being there. Putting Jackie Gayda in the ring is a slap in the face to every wrestler who has taken the time and made personal sacrifices to properly learn their craft, rather than enter a reality TV show. On the flip side, there are those who once were able to work, but are now either too old, too injured, or just too complacent to perform well in the ring. This also kills the credibility of those who still actually *can* perform well. - I don't like the use of the WWF divas. For the proper way to use T&A in wrestling, look no further than CMLL: get some fine spanish women, dress them up in skimpy outfits, let them escort the wrestlers to the ring, hold up the title belts and shake their asses...then get them the fuck out of there and let the men wrestle. - I don't like seeing real-life grudges and issues being carried over into the product itself, at the expense of the fans. Vince McMahon has cut off his nose to spite his face far too much lately. - I don't like the commentary at all. Gordon Solie, Mike Tenay, Bobby Heenan, Jesse Ventura - these guys were the perfect commentators, because they gave credibility to the performers in the ring, and gave credibility to the matches as actual competition. Jim Ross once did this well, but that was many years ago. I could keep going, but that's enough. Basically, it boils down to credibility. These days, WWE has almost none. They're the professional wrestling version of the Backstreet Boys. | ||||
| Se7en | posted on 07-10-2002 @ 6:48 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 01 | Sir O sums up basically my thoughts on the state of wrestling today. I don't hate wrestling either. But I detest wrestling done poorly, and there's an abundance of that (before you people start, even my beloved Japanese wrestling is not immune). Since the WWE is the most visible....and in many cases, the most at fault....they get the lion's share of the blame.quote: The people who tear apart matches move by move annoy the piss out of even me. I know some guys who are so jaded and critical that they flat out REFUSE to watch any match that dips below "**** stars" on their own insane scale. quote: But it isn't. Someone gave an interview recently....I think it was Jerry Jarrett of the NWA...the point he made was that wrestling will pretty much never die off. I mean, hell - it's been around for few THOUSAND years already. But it may have to go underground a bit. We may see territories pop up again. We already are; there's a wealth of good wrestling out there on the indy scene, outside of the WWE. There's UPW on the West coast, JAPW up in the NE side of things, NWA down along the south. Tijuana is a hotbed for lucha. Japanese business has taken a downturn as well (not surprising, given the economic recession there), but they are attempting to branch out into America. Alternatives to the WWE exist. You just have to look for them. quote: There's a difference between "watching with an open mind" and following the WWE party line, which is "You will take whatever shit we give you and LIKE it." YOU are the consumer here; it's your time and money being spent upon the WWE's product. You have a right to voice your opinion if you feel that the product isn't up to par. And judging by the ratings, a LOT of people aren't very happy with the product these days.  The HHHaters Why did the Game cross the glass? To hold down the talent on the other side! "Being a bastard WORKS." --Spider Jerusalem | ||||
| c-sucking a-hole | posted on 07-10-2002 @ 8:53 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Feb. 01 | I dont hate wrestling, but i do hate the under use and over use of wrestlers. you have guys get pushes based on pops and heat. bullshit! anyone remember ECW where talent ment something? they'd have great matches. the RVD/Jerry Lynn fude was great. I have said this time and time again WWF does not know how to use talent. and alot of fans dont want a wrestling match anymore, they want all this glamor and story.  "Television - teacher, mother, secret lover!"-Homer J. Simpson | ||||
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| Hanger-On Registered: Jun. 02 | i dont care what people say, i'll watch wrestling no matter what. it's the two times in the week that i can take a break from growing up, and just be a kid again. it's stupid, exciting, funny, and nerveracking, but i'll love it as long as i live. plus, the great thing is that all the shitty wrestlers are getting injured: nash, hhh, etc.. so it seems like it will alll work itself out in the end. i dont think the company will tank like everyone is predicting, and if it does than i'll watch benoit, jericho, guerrero, and rvd move on and make another organization big. i admire your honesty, hell i like you, you can come over to my house and fuck my sister | ||||
| HydratedPeach So... how did you get your spiffy new status? Age-Challenged Sexual Tension Relief Worker | posted on 07-10-2002 @ 9:53 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jul. 01 | quote: Agreed. Since 1998 (actually, since I first got online and learned there actually were more than 3 wrestling companies in America), I've become a huge indy fan. On several occasions, if given the choice between going to a WWF show at the FU Center or going to an indy show in Jersey, 9 times out of 10 I'd choose the indy show. Call me crazy, but I actually prefer being crammed into an abandoned A&P store with about 300 rowdy maniacs watching some damn good wrestling instead of being in an arena with 18,000 people sitting on their hands watching two guys in a ring just go through the motions. One of the reasons I'm so eager to move back East is because Wisconsin wrestling is the dribbling shits.  Daddy's Little Girl Poster Child for Useless Aggression This message was edited by HydratedPeach on 7-10-02 @ 10:40 PM | ||||
| McNabbShouldDie | posted on 07-10-2002 @ 10:52 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: Jul. 02 | I dont hate wrestling in general. I hate the quality of the WWF(i will neve refer to it as the WWE) right now. Many indepent and SOME Japanese wrestling is cool, just not the current WWF. let me tell u why i dislike it as of the current moment. 3) Roster Split 2) The WWF lost a court battle to a Gawd damn panda bear. 1) Vince McMahon. That aboot sums it up. | ||||
| Bloody Anus P.L.F. Portugese Liberation Front- Liberating Status' everywhere from the Tyranny of Portugal HYBRID THINKS I'M A GENIUS | posted on 07-10-2002 @ 11:04 PM | | |||
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| DonWest | posted on 07-10-2002 @ 11:41 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | quote: You have got to be kididng me. I guess Vince now has the power to script trials in the court of law. Did you pay any attention to what happened or just see that headline somewhere and that is it? | ||||
| HeyBEERMAN420 | posted on 07-11-2002 @ 1:16 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 01 | they only thing i hate is when the put the belt around people that dont deserve it. othr that that i have no problem with wrestling. every big promotion has dry periods when shit isnt workin. i hate to say it because austin's one of my favorites,but i think him leaving was the best thing that can happen to the wwe. i dont know why but i think him leaving was a good thing. e lost some of his drawing power, and lets face it he'snot the same austin as he was in prime ''attitude'' area. it sucks to see the top dogs get older,and start to fall apart. but theirs was nothing is for him to do in the wwe anymore. anyway,i think wrestling will bounce back and produce younger wrestlers and make it back. i've been a fan of the wwf through the good times,and the the real fuckin bad times,but i'll never stop watchin it. yeah the roster spilt sucks and the wwf isnt the wwf anymore,i dont give a shit,i'll still like it and watch it. YOUR DRUNK& HIGH BROTHER,HeyBEERMAN 420 another proud graduate of AUSTIN's school... thanks for the pic austin  This message was edited by HeyBEERMAN420 on 7-11-02 @ 1:19 AM | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 07-11-2002 @ 9:29 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: - I don't like having my intelligence insulted. Wrestling was never meant to be viewed on the same level as a Shakespeare play, but when every 5 seconds I'm saying to myself "that just doesn't make any sense," there's a problem. quote:- I don't like the current WWF style of matches. It is very unrealistic and lacks credibility. The video game movesets, prevalent no-selling and under-selling, lack of psychology, and overuse of the hyper brawling have transformed actual wrestling matches into sports entertainment exhibitions. quote:- I don't like the unrealistic, "larger than life" characters. What was so great about Cactus Jack back in the early to mid 90's, was that he didn't seem like some guy playing a character, he genuinely did come off as a psychopath. Steve Austin in his rise to the top, really was a tough motherfucker who didn't give a shit. He wasn't just Steve Williams playing a character. So many characters, for so long, have lacked credibility. quote:- I don't like seeing people in the ring, who have no business being there. Putting Jackie Gayda in the ring is a slap in the face to every wrestler who has taken the time and made personal sacrifices to properly learn their craft, rather than enter a reality TV show. On the flip side, there are those who once were able to work, but are now either too old, too injured, or just too complacent to perform well in the ring. This also kills the credibility of those who still actually *can* perform well. quote:- I don't like the use of the WWF divas. For the proper way to use T&A in wrestling, look no further than CMLL: get some fine spanish women, dress them up in skimpy outfits, let them escort the wrestlers to the ring, hold up the title belts and shake their asses...then get them the fuck out of there and let the men wrestle. quote:- I don't like seeing real-life grudges and issues being carried over into the product itself, at the expense of the fans. Vince McMahon has cut off his nose to spite his face far too much lately. quote:- I don't like the commentary at all. Gordon Solie, Mike Tenay, Bobby Heenan, Jesse Ventura - these guys were the perfect commentators, because they gave credibility to the performers in the ring, and gave credibility to the matches as actual competition. Jim Ross once did this well, but that was many years ago. quote:Basically, it boils down to credibility. These days, WWE has almost none. They're the professional wrestling version of the Backstreet Boys. quote: | ||||
| Se7en | posted on 07-11-2002 @ 1:32 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 01 | quote: There are fundamental elements of the "WWE style" which, IMO (and in the opinion of a lot of people, not just us jaded "smart fans"), lead to poor ring product. It would take far too long for me to explain the problem in depth right now. But the WWE style is pretty much crap. No emphasis on submissions, poor striking moves, virtually no one making any logical transitions, a VASTLY limited moveset (why don't you watch RAW or Smackdown lately and count just how many sleeper holds or spinebusters you see)....these are just a few things. Their style is part of their problem. They've created it, orchestrated it, so that they can control the product of their wrestlers, in order to "protect" them from injury (problem is, it only adds to the injury problem). The "WWE style" is exactly why I question whether someone like Maven will ever develop into a good wrestler, simply because he's learning things in a very stagnant environment. The HHHaters Why did the Game cross the glass? To hold down the talent on the other side! "Being a bastard WORKS." --Spider Jerusalem | ||||
| Jack Meehoff Teh funny blah blah absent blah blah teh blah | posted on 07-11-2002 @ 3:26 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 02 | So...... Who's going to watch Smackdown Tonight? I know I will be.  May Teh Funny Be With You | ||||
OA.com's Bodyguard Anger problem? What anger problem? I hate the fucking mud! USA | posted on 07-12-2002 @ 1:30 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | I hate women wrestling. As easy as they are on the eyes, they cannot wrestle to save their fucking lives. Maybe Ivory, Jaqueline, Lita, & Molly can actually wrestle, but as soon as they are put in with the likes of Stacy, Terri, Torrie, & Trish they completely forget how to. Imagine what it must feel like to be one of the women that actually went to wrestling school and trained their asses off, only to see people (models if you will) like Sable and Trish get the title? Sure all of the 4 women I mentioned that can wrestle have held the belt, but I think both Sable and Trish individually have held it longer than the 4 of them combined. Fucking sad if you ask me.
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| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 07-12-2002 @ 1:58 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | quote:I don't think I berate everything. Every once in a while, WWE will do something good or entertaining, and I'll give them some credit for that. But when I dislike 95% of a show, the 5% that I do like tends to be forgotten by the time the show ends. I'm just critical, cynical, and bitter. quote:Of course, there's a whole lot in wrestling that HAS made sense. I think the WWF from the time Russo left until late-2000 was a pretty well booked promotion with storylines and angles that, for the most part, made sense. I think Steph got the book around the time they really started to fall off. And yes, WCW and ECW both had their share of retarded booking. So has New Japan recently. I don't think anyone here would care if I broke down how Inoki has been fucking up with Nagata, or how a random ECW angle from 97 was stupid. So I don't. They do need to eliminate the cameras backstage, though. The one thing that has probably turned off more fans than anything else is the fact that having cameras and cameramen backstage, and the wrestlers acting oblivious to them, completely destroys any suspension of disbelief. For example, all the times Vince is live on camera with his tongue down a valet's throat for the world to see. Would any married man want a camera catching that? And why does everyone see it, EXCEPT for the people within the company? I blame reality television for this nonsense. quote:I've gone into detail in the past about what is wrong with the WWF style, as well as Se7en in the previous reply. I just recently watched a Stiners vs. Bret/Owen match from a WWF show in the early 90's that was worlds better than anything from WWF/E this year. The moves and holds these days lack meaning, and psychology has been sacrificed for crowd pops. Perfect example: Scotty 2 Hotty vs. Dean Malenko from Backlash 2000. The match was going great for about 10 minutes, with Dean carrying the load on offense working over Scotty's leg and Scotty selling the leg well. At one point, Scotty hits his running bulldog out of apparent desperation, and Dean inexplicably lays on the mat for a good 20 seconds while Scotty hops around on his leg (the one that Dean worked over, and Scotty sold like it was nearly dead) before hitting the lame Worm for the pin. Yes, the crowd popped for the move, but the finish was beyond horrible because it ignored the 10 minutes of work leading up to it. It doesn't make sense for Malenko to be KO'd for 20 seconds by a one-handed bulldog after taking almost no prior offense, and it doesn't make sense for Scotty to hop around freely on a leg that has been worked over like that. quote:I didn't like it then either, and stopped watching for a long time because of that. That whole era of WWF gimmicks was terrible. quote:I don't think any casual fans are going to buy a ticket, or order a PPV, just because someone from Tough Enough is on it. If they're counting on these guys to draw anytime in the near future, I think they're in for a surprise. Not to say they don't have potential to do so down the line, but if celebrity non-wrestlers Leno, Rodman, Malone, and Arquette didn't work for WCW, then why would pseudo-celebrity rookie wrestlers Nidia, Chris, Maven, and Jackie work for WWE? Rushing them to the big show too early is probably doing more harm than good. quote:Women's wrestling definitely has a place. Probably my favorite match ever was a woman's match (Kandori vs. Hokuto, Dreamslam I). But I've said it many times, if I want porn, I'll watch porn. Until these T&A matches involve penetration, I won't care. quote:I can't argue if you like it, either you do or you don't. But the fact is, none of these promos have ever led to anything that made any money for the company. And I don't like them. I like to keep fantasy and reality seperate. Unless reality involves an orgy with the CMLL girls. quote:They're not on the way back. Ratings, buyrates, merch sales, and ticket sales are still the lowest they've been in years. It's still the same guys on top, and although they're teasing pushes for RVD and Brock, the fans have been burned too much lately to buy into it. Until serious changes are made to the company and every aspect of it, I don't see much improvement coming. You can't point to one good show and say "see, they're getting better," you need a consistent upward trend. I'm still waiting for one good WWE show, much less an upward trend. I think I have a long wait. | ||||
| Se7en | posted on 07-13-2002 @ 12:14 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 01 | quote: This is where you HAVE to give the Japanese their due. I know, I know, most of the people on this board hate Japanese wrestling. But women's wrestling is where the Japanese have everyone else beat hands down. Why? Because they actually train to be wrestlers. They don't recruit them over there just because they may be swimwear models with fake tits *coughtorriewilson*. Whether they're hot (like Ayako Hamada) or beastly (Aja Kong), they're actually trained. And there are no retarded angles making fun of the size of their asses, no matter how large or small they may be. quote: Oh I would. What a goddamn shame - Nagata is the best worker they have in the whole promotion, and one of the top workers in the world right now, and he's STILL hurting image-wise from that Cro Crop nonsense over 6 months ago. Fuck Inoki. I hate him simply for pushing Yasuda on us. quote: This very phenomena is maybe the most insulting-to-our-intelligence thing the WWE does. quote: I thought that was the match in which Dean killed Scotty dead with a top rope DDT. But you make an excellent point. quote: Did you see the Hokuto / Satomura MOTY(C) from last year? Phenomenal. I'm gonna miss Hokuto. One of the all-time greats. quote: I won't say they've "hit the wall" so to speak, but I'll just mention this: Smackdown, with the return of the Rock, only does a 3.3. Looks like they can no longer depend upon the "short term ratings spike" that they've used in the past. The HHHaters Why did the Game cross the glass? To hold down the talent on the other side! "Being a bastard WORKS." --Spider Jerusalem | ||||
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