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| Posted By | Discussion Topic: Elevate new stars? HA! The Kliq up to their old tricks.... | ||||
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| Se7en | posted on 07-13-2002 @ 8:11 PM |    | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 01  | This is all from this week's Wrestling Observer. Apparently, the Kliq is back to their old tricks again. In addition to X-Pac refusing to job to Booker T (claiming a back injury) and Nash being booked to pin Booker in the tag match this past RAW, the Kliq has been making moves in the WWE to once again hold down new talent and to keep themselves at the top of the card. On the July 4th edition of Smackdown, John Cena slapped Chris Jericho in a confrontation inside Vince McMahon's office. But that wasn't the original plan. The original storyline would have had John Cena slap VINCE in the face, prompting Vince to set up a match between Cena & Jericho, in which Cena would get numerous near-falls until Chris had to cheat to win. HHH put a stop to this. He went to Vince, and had him change the angle, stating that no one should be laying a hand upon Vince until after Summerslam, except for Hogan. So Vince changed the segment into what we saw, Cena slapping Jericho. Pat Patterson & Paul Heyman, who wrote the segment & devised the angle, were very upset at HHH's actions, and the incident caused major heat between HHH and the others in the locker room. The general feeling is that HHH already sees the potential in John Cena, and wants to make sure he doesn't go too far in the company. Many of the top stars in the company were very angry at HHH, feeling he's trying to control the top positions in the company. Meanwhile, HBK & Nash were apparently pushing for HHH to join the nWo after Summerslam. Their plan was to have Nash fight HHH at Summerslam, with HHH joining the nWo after the PPV, then having the nWo become the top babyfaces (!) of the promotion - appearing on BOTH shows. This has caused a lot of resentment lately against the Kliq. The Cena situation, the actions of Nash & HBK, and X-Pac's reluctance to job to Booker T have angered a lot of the talent in the back. The general feeling in the locker room is that Undertaker / Kurt Angle / Chris Jericho / & RVD are the ones who are "pulling the wagon" in the company, while the Kliq sits back and plays political games. *********** Sound familiar to anyone? No, I'm not going to compare it to WCW. Cause it's not like WCW. It's like WWF 1995 - 97 again. I, for one, don't want a return to those days.  The HHHaters Why did the Game cross the glass? To hold down the talent on the other side! "Being a bastard WORKS." --Spider Jerusalem | ||||
| WWForever | posted on 07-14-2002 @ 1:06 AM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: May. 02 | Quite honestly, if Triple H made it so Cena hit Jericho instead of Vince, then Hunter did the right thing. It wouldn't make any sense for a two week old rookie to hit his brand new boss. And how is it holding down Cena? He got the main event the next week and a PPV match out of it. That's why I rarely go to most of these news sites. You can barely believe half of it. I refuse to believe that HBK has any type of clout backstage. He's only been back for a month and probably doesn't even know half the wrestlers today. Oh sure, the Kliq ran things back then and Triple H obviously has his say in things, but it can't be as much as it used to be. As the old saying goes: "Fool me me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." And even if all this is so, how much power can Kliq 2002 have now with Nash completly out of the picture? Shawn has nothing to offer since he is inactive, Triple H is injured for a little while, X-Pac can't cry back pain forever, and Big Show is lucky to even still be in the WWF. | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 07-14-2002 @ 1:28 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | I read WWForever's reply, and my brains exploded out the back of my head, splattering all over the wall. I guess I can't take large doses of stupidity in such a small timespan.  New AIM, y'know. | ||||
| Austin 3:16 The Dark Enforcer/Angry Stoned Pimp G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. New World Order Secret Police Chief Proud Inventor of the "Cream Cheese, Peanut Butter and Jelly" sandwich | posted on 07-14-2002 @ 1:43 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Feb. 01 | Ladies and Gentlemen...the dumbest wrestling fan ever spit out of a vag, except for the WWE writers. WOW.  Space For Rent. AIM This message was edited by Austin 3:16 on 7-14-02 @ 1:44 AM | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 07-14-2002 @ 1:49 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | I honestly think that post was the wrestling equivalent to "If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college." I can already FEEL THE ANEURYSM BUILDING UP. Please.... someone needs to post a coherent response.... Sir O? Se7en? Diamond Dust? Daughter? Can anyone PLEASE cut through the stupid and reply to it? I seriously tried thinking of doing a point-by point reply, and I got a fucking headache. Holy fucking shit, my eyes are drawn to it, I can't help it, and I CAN'T TAKE IT.... WWForever so deserves a status for this but I seriously can NOT think straight. New AIM, y'know. | ||||
| Danked Dankarella! | posted on 07-14-2002 @ 1:56 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | You guys are silly. I have no idea what any of you are talking about.  | ||||
| HyBriD FN Moron is an indian giver!! I had my cool status for about 10 min. then it was gone. GONE! G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Agent WD40 Licensed to Kill My spoon is TOO BIG. (finally) Hanger-on to the JYDs for LIFE I INVENTED ORANGE MOTHERFUCKER This status is sponsored by: P®oJë©T M@¥hέm | posted on 07-14-2002 @ 2:06 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 01 | whenever i eat a ham sandwich on white bread it sticks to the roof of my mouth. on a roll however...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA...it doesnt stick. carry on. We see a deadly sin on every street corner, in every home, and we tolerate it. We tolerate it because it's common, it's trivial. We tolerate it morning, noon, and night. Well, not anymore. I'm setting the example. And what I've done is going to be puzzled over, and studied, and followed... forever. | ||||
| goatweed I've Got A Vagina With Teeth. G.O.O.F.B.A.H.G.S. Dragoon Battalion My friends call me Weed | posted on 07-14-2002 @ 2:10 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jan. 01 | :::speechless::: You can reach me through AIM or email. I really don't give a fuck as to which one you use.
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| HydratedPeach So... how did you get your spiffy new status? Age-Challenged Sexual Tension Relief Worker | posted on 07-14-2002 @ 12:17 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Jul. 01 | quote: I would, if I could, but I just can't get past "I refuse to believe that HBK has any type of clout backstage." quote: For once, I envy teh Danked.  Daddy's Little Girl Poster Child for Useless Aggression | ||||
| Noellevious Teh cute. Look at that. You could bounce quarters off of it. Incredible. | posted on 07-14-2002 @ 12:57 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Sep. 01 | This guy's only excuse is if he's actually a twelve year old. AnonOAMember: Will you mother my children? Noellevious: My womb must remain pure for the divine seed. Sorry. | ||||
| Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! | posted on 07-14-2002 @ 5:11 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Feb. 01 | quote: Dude, we are not fucking miracle workers. But, hell, I'll try: quote: Yeah, it wouldn't make sense for a two week old rookie to hit Vince in the face, just like it wouldn't make sense for Austin to anally rape him every episode of Raw from 1998. Hell, it's not like that got Austin over or anything. This is a company that had a 456 year old woman give birth to a fucking hand, and you're worrying about logic in an angle that doesn't really have TOO much of a logic gap to begin with, especially compared with that angle? Gee, I don't know how it's holding him down. Maybe it's holding him down cuz it would've been more memorable and gotten him over and also developed his character as a guy who don't give a shit. Outside of that, yeah, you make an excellent point, for a mongoloid. quote: Yeah, you have to know SOOOOOOOOO many wrestlers to get to Vince's buttcrack. quote: As the old saying goes, "You're a fucking idiot." quote: Nash is really out of the picture, Einstein. Lemme put it to you in words you can understand: You see, in wrestlng, there is a TV World, and a Real World. Now, in TV World, Mr. Nash will be gone for a while cuz he had a boo boo in his little leggy. But, in the Real World Mr. Mean Old Nash still exists. He's not dead! He didn't go bye bye! He still lives and still can be backstage if Mr. Nash wants to! IT'S TRUE! Isn't that amazing? Now Mr. Nash likes to visit Mr. McMahon's office and give Mr. McMahon lots of "oral sex." Do you know what "oral sex" is, Mr. Forever? Well, you should learn it, because if you don't there might be little Forevers running around one day, and the world doesn't need that. So, because of this act by Mr. Nash, Mr. McMahon likes to give his friends pushes even though Mr. Nash isn't on camera! Same thing goes for Mr. Michaels. He doesn't play with the big boys anymore, but he still enjoys to make the big boys who are friends with him the big stars. And he and Mr. McMahon have a long history of being friends, so he still has power with Mr. McMahon, even though he "doesn't know half the wrestlers." You only have to know one man in politics. And do you know who that man is Forever? Ah yes. Mr. McMahon! You win a wowwipop! As for Big Show he ain't in the Kliq, he's in the Hulk Hogan Kissass Club, which can be even worse than the Kliq if it wants, and so far it hasn't. But wait til he gets Brutus Beefcake and Hacksaw Jim Duggan into the WWE. The Kliq will look pretty nice after that happens. I'm not even dignifying the Xpac line with a response, because at this point, I either assume you read nothing about his "injury" in Se7en's post, or you are just a fucking missed opportunity at an abortion by your parents that would've made the world a better place. Gee, I hope I wasn't too malicious on the young lad. This message was edited by Hello! Hello! Diamond Dust! Hello! on 7-14-02 @ 5:32 PM | ||||
| TeenWeek what's a status? | posted on 07-14-2002 @ 5:30 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | Yeah, What's the matter with you. Expressing another opinion on a messageboard. Don't you know Sir O, Se7en, Diamondust and FTL are the Kliq of the O&A messaeboard. Do I see new statuses for you guys? For a guy who has only been there 2 weeks, why should he slap Vince. I agree that the Kliq are assholes. But I think the young guys are getting better pushes than anyone in recent memory. Lesnar, Bautista, Randy Orton, John Cena are showing up on tv much more than Justin Credible or raven. You guys are right though. [Sarcasm]HHH sucks and so does WWE. [/Sarcasm] :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Viva La Japan!!!  | ||||
| TheJays This status sponsored by: P®oJë©T M@¥h?m: I MAKE COOL PICTURES Proud To Be An American | posted on 07-14-2002 @ 6:59 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: What is the point of even knowing this backstage bullshit? This Kliq stuff gives kids on the internet a hard-on. All we know for the truth on any matter is what we see on our tv's, and from that, we can gather that the WWE is shit right now. If the WWE writers want to go ahead and listen to washed up wrestlers in regards to angles and pushes, they can go right ahead, but the WWE holds all responsibility for the shitstorm they are in. The "Kliq" is not some huge entity that no one can say no to.  | ||||
| krahzee | posted on 07-14-2002 @ 7:51 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Mar. 02 | quote: Amen. As far as Cena's push goes, how long did it take them to have him Main Event SD? A month? I see no reason to bitch over his push at this point. Who cares if it was Cena and Taker Vs. Angle and Jericho? He was headlining. Shit, if memory serves me correctly, even Angle and Jericho didn't main event a SD or Raw in nearly the amount of time Cena has. So who cares if he didn't smack Vince on TV? I personally am tired of seeing Vince being used to elevate guys. It was cool with Austin, after that it's lost it's appeal. Let Cena fued with a legit upper-carder like Angle or Jericho to develop his charecter. The last thing I wanna see is Vince in the ring again. :rolleyes: This message was edited by krahzee on 7-14-02 @ 7:53 PM | ||||
| WWForever | posted on 07-14-2002 @ 8:53 PM | | |||
| Hanger-On Registered: May. 02 | You can mock me, laugh at me, but don't send a retard in to correct me.quote: In other words he's saying, "T-yuk, okay fellas, I'll give it the ole college try." Stupid mindless fucking sheep. Tell me when and where you will be jumping through flaming hoops for these guys. FTL: Hey Dusty, now that you ragged on the newbie, go stick your finger in your ass and lick it. Dust: T-yuk, okay fellas, I'm game. Get it? I said "Game" and we are talking about the Kliq. I'm a smart mark. You fucking twit. quote: When Austin fought Vince, Bret Hart and HBK were out of the picture. Austin had no one bigger to fight but the owner who was already at war with him. That's what you call the next logic step, unlike you, who is two steps backwards. quote: I'm sorry, I though the fans wanted better writing in the WWF. I see where you are coming from. It's not that the writing is bad, it's not bad enough. You want a WrestleCrap moment each week. quote: I'm sorry that I'm not the visionary that you and Pat Patterson are. How could I not see the Cena Vs. McMahon DVDs down the line. It would have revolutionize sports entertainment as we know it. Hogan against Vince? No one in your opinion wants to see that, right? You'd honestly rather see Cena against Vince. It's sorry sacks of shit like you that make me wonder why I watch wrestling. quote: Huh? quote: [sarcasm]GASP!!! My virgin ears are bleeding![/sarcasm] quote: I might have to break this one down. First, he's agreeing with me, now he going to tell me how I'm wrong. Let's see if we understand. quote: Gee willikers, I think I got that one. quote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Thanks for the laugh. Triple H, who is younger, fitter, and more into the business, wasn't backstage when he had the injury. You expect me to believe that an old, barely in shape, has-been is going to travel with the Raw team? Like he was backstage every day in his WCW days. What kind of moron are you, or have they yet to classify your type. quote: I bet you were jerking off when you were writing that. The thought of Nash and Michaels giving head to Vince. You like that, don't you faggot. quote: Oh yeah, his friends are doing great. Nash is forced to wrestle his first day back from medical release and crippled himself. Scott Hall is off feuding with Jerry Lawler's kid. Wasn't Justin Credible a friend of HBK? Jobbing on Heat is a great career move. And the NWO itself? You must have eyes, you've seen them lately. You know, I see what my problem was in my first post. I should have just said it in one blunt statement. It's all a figment of your fool imaginations, created by propaganda from the WWF. When Vince sees HBK, he doesn't see a man who gives great oral treats. He sees t-shirt and DVD sales. "Hey, old Shawn pulled in good ratings in Mean Gene's show. Let's bring him back and put a NWO t-shirt on him." The only member of the imaginary Kliq that has any pull is Triple H. Some may say it's because he's put in the time and stuck with the WWF through thick and thin, other will say it's because he eats Steph's peach. Whatever. quote: If Hogan couldn't get Brutus to cut Angle's hair, then he ain't getting him. The monster underneath the bed, I mean the Kliq has more stroke than Hogan. Actually, I'm still laughing at the Nash statement. I'm picturing him rolling down to the ring and threatening Booker T. Then I'm picturing Book pushing Nash off of the ramp. quote: I'm taking it in stride, you moronic old coot. | ||||
| SpaceGhost Whiny fucking bitch - just follow the sig guidelines like EVERYONE ELSE. | posted on 07-14-2002 @ 11:03 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: May. 02 | quote: i found that funny lil fyi ___________________________ god forbid if you hotlink a picture for your sig. | ||||
| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 07-14-2002 @ 11:19 PM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | Geez...don't you people know it's all fake?quote:Only if I can be Scott Hall. He gets all the good drugs... | ||||
Nay. We are but men. ROCK. The man with the plan. | posted on 07-14-2002 @ 11:59 PM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | WWForever - when presented with an argument, or when someone calls you stupid, the idea is to disprove what they said about you.... not provide more evidence in their favor.quote: Don't you get tired of being wrong? New AIM, y'know. | ||||
| TheJays This status sponsored by: P®oJë©T M@¥h?m: I MAKE COOL PICTURES Proud To Be An American | posted on 07-15-2002 @ 12:02 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jan. 01 | quote: Holy shit! The Kliq is very real. Do not rub the Kliq the wrong way. I am the Kliq commander. | ||||
| Cluster F | posted on 07-15-2002 @ 12:32 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Replace DiamondDust with Hydrated Peach, and youre right on target bro. You, myself, and Forever seem to be in the minority in believing that Japanese wrestling isnt the be all end all of wrestling. We are also in the minority that people should voice their own opinion on a wrestling topic, instead of letting jackass marks like FTL, Sir O, Se7en, and Hydrated Peach tell us what is "right".  Thanks to Austin for the pic 1. 94 Wins and NL East Title by the Mets this year 2. Hate the Braves with a passion 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 4. Mets win World Series 5. Go 51-22 over the last 73 games of the season, it can happen right? Crack Committee Members: Cluster F, Rageparty, Bloody Anus, DiamondDust, JayMohrMassage, HammerSavage, PeterDragon, and 1888RustyTrombone...the force is growing. | ||||
| Danked Dankarella! | posted on 07-15-2002 @ 12:35 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Aug. 00 | So.... wrestling, huh? | ||||
| Se7en | posted on 07-15-2002 @ 1:03 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Oct. 01 | quote: I won't berate you (even if I want to), cause the others are better at that anyway. I'll give you this - you DO have a point. There are those who feel that the angle was too much, too soon for John Cena. I can see that point. Then again, Lesnar has only been around a short while and he's being pushed as a monster to the main event, despite not being over. The whole point of the Cena situation, the reason why HHH has heat on him is this - HE HAD NO FUCKING BUSINESS CHANGING ANYTHING. He's a fucking wrestler. THAT is all he should be. He should have NO say, whatsoever, in the storylines or angles of any other wrestler but himself. What's it to him if Cena gets put in an angle with Vince? Oh wait - that'd maybe actually get Cena over, make him popular, and thus it would embarass Hunter when Cena comes out and gets cheered madly, while Hunter's steroid flexes draw lukewarm responses. Hunter had no business causing the change in the storylines. But he did it because he could. The HHHaters Why did the Game cross the glass? To hold down the talent on the other side! "Being a bastard WORKS." --Spider Jerusalem | ||||
| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 07-15-2002 @ 1:08 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | quote:Cause you haven't seen it, maybe? quote:Woah, hey now. I think everyone has the right to voice their opinion. Unfortunately, most people have really retarded opinions and need to be made aware of this from time to time. And saying "there is no kliq" is not an opinion. It is a factually incorrect statement. | ||||
| Cluster F | posted on 07-15-2002 @ 1:24 AM | | |||
| O&A Board Regular Registered: Oct. 00 | quote: Ill agree with you on that, but the "Kliq" is past its prime in terms of having stroke in the back IMO (besides that asshole HHH). quote: I'll give you that one, but did this specific instance with Forever really qualify as a "retarded opinion"? I think not. Besides, the majority of the people who make everyone else aware of retarded opinions are yourself, Se7en, Peach, and FTL. quote: OK, im not going to make an argument for or against Japanese Wrestling. It could be the best shit in the world. The point is, however, that we really dont need to hear Japanese Wrestling as the ideal product of wrestling in the world everytime a new topic about wrestling comes up. That where my problem lies, not with the actual product, but of the constant reminder of how much WWE "sucks" and how we should all praise Japanese wrestlers. Thanks to Austin for the pic 1. 94 Wins and NL East Title by the Mets this year 2. Hate the Braves with a passion 3. All 5 Starters have winning records this year 4. Mets win World Series 5. Go 50-22 over the last 72 games of the season, it can happen right? Crack Committee Members: Cluster F, Rageparty, Bloody Anus, DiamondDust, JayMohrMassage, HammerSavage, PeterDragon, and 1888RustyTrombone...the force is growing. This message was edited by Cluster F on 7-15-02 @ 1:24 AM | ||||
| Sir Okonkwo | posted on 07-15-2002 @ 3:41 AM | | |||
| Psychopath Registered: Jun. 01 | quote:Wasn't the entire point of this thread to show people who thought the Kliq didn't have the influence anymore, that they indeed do still have very strong influence? Patterson (who has been with the company forever) and Heyman (who Ross admits in his shill report is writing the stronger show) both had their idea nixed by HHH (Kliq member). Obviously, since the angle in question didn't involve him personally, he wouldn't have had any input unless he had some of that "stroke." Whether or not the angle was a good or bad one is not the issue really, because Cena was better off with the angle Patterson and Heyman devised, and HHH being the paranoid asshole he is, didn't want Cena to get too much of a push. He still got a match, but with significantly less heat than he would have, thanks to Kliq member HHH. If the Kliq had no influence, then why were plans made to push all of them as faces on both shows and carry the NWO flag which burned out 4 years ago, while everyone else remains on one show a week? Why was Nash booked to destroy 5 guys by himself on his return match? Why was X-Pac allowed to fake injury to avoid jobbing to Booker T? Why is X-Pac even there at all? I think there is significant evidence to show that there is some influence there. quote:Yes. quote:That's retarded. quote:That's because we're the least retarded. quote:Look back, Teenweek brought it up, then you did. I didn't. But it is better, the wrestling is better and the booking is better and every time you watch a Japanese wrestling match you get sex from a hot teen model. Too bad you've never seen a Japanese wrestling match, eh? | ||||
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