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posted on 11-25-2001 @ 3:33 PM      
Psychopath
Registered: Sep. 01
American-Born Singer Melanie Thornton Dies in Crash
ZURICH (Reuters) - U.S.-born pop singer Melanie Thornton, on tour to publicize her solo album "Ready to Fly," died on Saturday night in a Swiss plane crash near Zurich, police said Sunday.

"It is true that Miss Thornton was on the passenger list. She is not among the survivors," Zurich police spokesman Karl Steiner told Reuters.

Nine people survived out of the 33 aboard the Crossair jet and police said 24 were presumed dead.

Melanie's latest single, "Wonderful Dream," is the song of a new Coca-Cola commercial and was due to be in stores starting Monday.

Thornton, born in May 1967 in South Carolina, was for many years the voice of the group La Bouche with whom she had worldwide sales successes with songs such as "Sweet Dreams," "Fallin' In Love" and "Be My Lover."

But their second album flopped and Thornton left the group in February 2000 for an independent career.

Although born in the United States, her singing career started in Germany under the auspices of Franc Farian, who has launched many pop bands. She had arrived with just $15 in her pockets to join her sister in Germany in 1992.

With her singing partner Lane McCray, she celebrated world-wide successes with La Bouche and they sold more than 10 million units and obtained gold and platinum awards in over 15 countries.




GodBlessAmerica.
Spork
posted on 11-25-2001 @ 4:18 PM      
Psychopath
Registered: Jun. 01
quote:

ZURICH (Reuters) - U.S.-born pop singer Melanie Thornton, on tour to publicize her solo album "Ready to Fly," died on Saturday night in a Swiss plane crash near Zurich, police said Sunday.


Irony's a bitch, ain't it?






Thank you to all the brave volunteers who brought us all together as a country,
and thank you to those of you brave soldiers who will fight and have fought for our country.
We are a free people because of your efforts.
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(I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans)
posted on 11-25-2001 @ 4:35 PM      
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Registered: Aug. 00
quote:

Irony's a bitch, ain't it?




And now for the obvious...


Ironic


An old man turned ninety-eight
He won the lottery and died the next day
It's a black fly in your Chardonnay
It's a death row pardon two minutes too late
And isn't it ironic...dontcha think

It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought...it figures

Mr. Play It Safe was afraid to fly
He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids goodbye
He waited his whole damn life to take that flight
And as the plane crashed down he thought
"Well isn't this nice..."
And isn't it ironic...dontcha think


It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought...it figures

Well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
When you think everything's okay and everything's going right
And life has a funny way of helping you out when
You think everything's gone wrong and everything blows up
In your face

A traffic jam when you're already late
A no-smoking sign on your cigarette break
It's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife
It's meeting the man of my dreams
And then meeting his beautiful wife
And isn't it ironic...dontcha think
A little too ironic...and yeah I really do think...

It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought...it figures

Life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
Life has a funny, funny way of helping you out
Helping you out




Funny how ev'rything was roses
When we held on to the guns

Write To Me Here

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Spork
posted on 11-25-2001 @ 5:23 PM      
Psychopath
Registered: Jun. 01
I know there's a stand-up guy who has done this bit to death (might be Billy Connoly - can't remember), but it's still funny...
(and yes Slash, bonus points for you, you did identify the ACTUAL ironic incident in the song, and tied it in nicely! Ding Ding!)

From everyone's favorite, Google...

quote:

it is ironic, isn't it? (1996)

Alanis Morissette has taken more than her share of hits for the song "Ironic." Critics have argued that she doesn't really understand the meaning of the word, and that the examples of irony she gives are simply not ironic. To be perfectly honest, I'm more surprised that there are music critics who do know what "ironic" means than I am that there are 21 year-old pop singers who don't. But that's a whole other essay.

It's not an easy word to define. Not even language scholars agree on whether a certain situation is "ironic" or not. For instance, if Alanis and Moose (Alanis's childhood costar cum nemesis) both moved independently to LA from Ontario and later became lovers, some would argue that this situation by itself constitutes irony. On the other hand, if Alanis and Moose each moved because they individually were convinced that Ontario was devoid of potential mates, and then met each other at a bar in LA, that would be ironic. So in the interest of fairness, and erring generously in her favor, I took the time to examine the lyrics of Alanis's song, and discover for myself what was truly ironic and what wasn't. Results are tallied below:

1. "An old man turned ninety-eight/He won the lottery and died the next day."
While an amusing (if morbid) coincidence, there is nothing particulary ironic about the death. It is certainly an awe-inspiring sequence of events -- the gentleman celebrating his 98th birthday, winning the lottery, and dying all in a two day period. What kind of shitty luck is that? The ineffective slant rhyme, btw, is a little jarring, too.

2. "It's a black fly in your Chardonnay."
The irony here is that there is nothing remotely ironic about this line. In perhaps her one sweet moment of unadulterated genius, Alanis has shown us the true meaning of irony by giving an example of it that isn't ironic at all! Get it? It's a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning: the textbook definition of irony!

3. "It's a death row pardon two minutes too late."
This one's kind of a coin toss, and really depends on the context. Imagine the following situation: Jimmy is black and has allegedly murdered fifteen people in Texas, with malice aforethought. No doubt he's going to fry, right? All the while, his pretty young Public Defender facing obstacles both legal and societal, struggles to overturn Jimmy's conviction. The actual killer, as it happens, was the son of a cattle rancher whom Jimmy'd stripped of a football to make the winning play at the cattle rancher's son's homecoming game. The pretty young Public Defender, after years of searching, finally discovers the blood-stained sand wedge the cattle rancher's son used in the murders, covered up and down with his incriminating fingerprints. The PYPD races to the aid of Jimmy, with whom she's fallen in love and doesn't care who knows, and receives a stay of execution for her wrongly-accused beloved. But irony of ironies: the pretty young Public Defender forgot to set her clock forward for daylight savings time, and Jimmy's already been dead for two minutes while she's breathing a sigh of relief in the Governor's office as the Governor, bewildered, makes the phone call only to discover to everyone's dismay that Jimmy's already toast and now he has to break the news to the pretty young Public Defender, who isn't going to take this little zigzag of kismet well, one suspects. Now, that's ironic. That was so easy, there's no way I'm giving Miss Thing credit for it.

4. "It's like rain on your wedding day."
Nope.

5. "It's a free ride when you've already paid."
Sorry, no. Alanis seems to think that "irony" means "bad timing".

6. "It's the good advice that you just didn't take."
This is very close! Ignoring good advice is ironic, but only if the listener suffers some kind of befitting karmic punishment as a result. Alanis gets half a point for the setup, but because she only sketchily implies the irony, we cannot grant her full credit.

7. "Mr. Play It Safe was afraid to fly/ He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids good-bye/ He waited his whole damn life to take that flight/And as the plane crashed down he thought, Well, isn't this nice?"
This quatrain is truly a feather in Alanis's cap, because it contains not one, but two legitimate instances of actual, honest to God irony. A) It is, indeed, ironic that someone who is afraid of flying would die in a plane crash during his first flight; it's an unexpected disruption in the normal course of events that gives us insight into human folly. And B) said someone is being, you guessed it, ironic when he says, "Well, isn't this nice?" since we must presume that he is being sarcastic.

8. "It's a traffic jam when you're already late."
See No. 5. When Alanis finds a concept she likes, she runs with it.

9. "A no-smoking sign on your cigarette break."
Oh, come on. You were doing so well with the plane guy.

10. "It's like ten thousands spoons when all you need is a knife."
If the speaker is rifling through a silverware drawer which is known to contain knives, then this is ironic. If she's in a spoon factory, it isn't.

11. "It's meeting the man of my dreams/ And then meeting his beautiful wife."
The implied irony here is that Alanis has searched high and low for her soulmate, finds him only to discover that, wouldn't you know it?, he's married. Sheesh, all the good ones are taken, aren't they? But a moment's consideration will show that the situation is actually in no way ironic, since we would expect all the good ones to be taken. What would be ironic would be to meet some ugly, stupid, fat kid that Alanis spurned while a cast member of Nickelodeon's You Can't Do That on Television, and then meet his beautiful wife.


FINAL TALLY

Attempts at describing irony
11

Successful attempts
2.5

Confusion of irony with "poor sense of timing"
6

Completely misusing the term
3


Now that you have the stats, you can wow your friends with your overwhelming command of both pop culture and the English language. The painful truth of the matter is that Alanis apparently did not quite center herself over the concept of irony before she and songwriting chum Glen Ballard sat down to compose the catchy ditty.

I believe, though, that we should not be so quick to judge. Winona Ryder's character in Reality Bites couldn't define "ironic" and had to have dopey Ethan Hawke explain it to her. And it took me longer than I'm comfortably prepared to admit to determine which of Ms. Morisettes vignettes were legit. So, Schoolhouse Rock it aint, but I'd like to see you do better with a song about assonance or hyperbole.





Thank you to all the brave volunteers who brought us all together as a country,
and thank you to those of you brave soldiers who will fight and have fought for our country.
We are a free people because of your efforts.
Mr. Brownstone
posted on 11-25-2001 @ 7:07 PM      
O&A Board Regular
Registered: Dec. 00
quote:

Main Entry: iro·ny
Pronunciation: 'I-r&-nE also 'I(-&)r-nE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -nies
Etymology: Latin ironia, from Greek eirOnia, from eirOn dissembler
Date: 1502
1 : a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning -- called also Socratic irony
2 a : the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning b : a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony c : an ironic expression or utterance
3 a (1) : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result (2) : an event or result marked by such incongruity b : incongruity between a situation developed in a drama and the accompanying words or actions that is understood by the audience but not by the characters in the play -- called also dramatic irony, tragic irony
synonym see WIT






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posted on 11-25-2001 @ 8:05 PM      
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Registered: Aug. 00
Ok, Spork, since ya knew the answer to the custom license plate question "L84AD8," how about this question?

What movie is this quote from?

Female: I mean, these job interviews, Troy... The word “vivesection” a staggering understatement. I mean, can you define irony?
Male: Its when the actual meaning is the complete opposite from the literal meaning.
Female: My God, where were you when I needed you today?



Funny how ev'rything was roses
When we held on to the guns

Write To Me Here

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This message was edited by SLASH on 11-25-01 @ 8:16 PM

Spork
posted on 11-25-2001 @ 8:20 PM      
Psychopath
Registered: Jun. 01
Sounds like Edward Scissorhands' girlfriend from Reality Bites to me! :)




Thank you to all the brave volunteers who brought us all together as a country,
and thank you to those of you brave soldiers who will fight and have fought for our country.
We are a free people because of your efforts.
Froy
King Shit
*board owner*

posted on 11-25-2001 @ 8:30 PM      
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Registered: Feb. 01
I just want to know if Seph has a funny sig pic for this one.


I believe in the Faith... that can save me.
I believe in the hope and I pray...
That someday it may raise me... above these badlands
SLASH
Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC
STRIKE 3
(I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans)
posted on 11-25-2001 @ 8:30 PM      
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Registered: Aug. 00
BAH! I think I have met my match ;)

quote:

I just want to know if Seph has a funny sig pic for this one.


Froy, are you outta your fuckin' mind? Of course he does!



Funny how ev'rything was roses
When we held on to the guns

Write To Me Here

AIM: SmarterChild


This message was edited by SLASH on 11-25-01 @ 8:35 PM
Faceman
...And now the battle between us and them has begun.

JYD-4-LIFE.

posted on 11-26-2001 @ 10:49 AM      
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Registered: May. 00
quote:

I just want to know if Seph has a funny sig pic for this one.



Before you ask that you should ask if there are any admins that have a love for Melanie Thornton, dont you think?



Why do we live this life
With all of this hate inside
I'll give it away 'cause I dont want it no more
Please, help me find it please
Somewhere far away
Yes I'm going, you'll never see me again





Froy
King Shit
*board owner*

posted on 11-26-2001 @ 11:02 AM      
O&A Board Veteran
Registered: Feb. 01
Well Face, as the new token homo mod, are you a diehard Melanie Thornton fan?


I believe in the Faith... that can save me.
I believe in the hope and I pray...
That someday it may raise me... above these badlands
spitfire421
posted on 11-26-2001 @ 11:08 AM      
O&A Board Regular
Registered: Dec. 00
quote:

Define irony: a bunch of idiots dancing around on a plane to a song made famous by a band that died in a plane crash


Is this the correct use of the word "irony"?


Fortunately, I'm adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug, uh, regimen to keep my mind, you know, uh, limber.


NEVER FORGET!!!
SLASH
Pompous, Arrogant, Enigmatic, Bitter, Quirky, Misanthrope with a Weird Sense of Humor and an Iron Clad Memory while flooding the board with my Stream of Consciousness UFC
STRIKE 3
(I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans)
posted on 11-26-2001 @ 11:52 AM      
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Registered: Aug. 00
quote:

Define irony: a bunch of idiots dancing around on a plane to a song made famous by a band that died in a plane crash


A Skynyrd reference from our resident "hippie chick," who woulda thunk it?;)



Funny how ev'rything was roses
When we held on to the guns

Write To Me Here

AIM: SmarterChild



FollowThisLogic
Nay. We are but men. ROCK.
The man with the plan.
posted on 11-26-2001 @ 3:47 PM      
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Registered: Oct. 00
quote:

Define irony: a bunch of idiots dancing around on a plane to a song made famous by a band that died in a plane crash
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A Skynyrd reference from our resident "hippie chick," who woulda thunk it?


Definitely a good reference... but... cheater! It's from Con Air. ;)

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Sephiroth
posted on 11-26-2001 @ 4:17 PM      
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quote:

I just want to know if Seph has a funny sig pic for this one.



spitfire421
posted on 11-26-2001 @ 4:38 PM      
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Registered: Dec. 00
Thanks for clearing it up FTL

ROFL! Didn't think you did requests Seph...


Fortunately, I'm adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug, uh, regimen to keep my mind, you know, uh, limber.


NEVER FORGET!!!
FollowThisLogic
Nay. We are but men. ROCK.
The man with the plan.
posted on 11-26-2001 @ 5:40 PM      
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Damn... SLASH really does rule with an iron fist... my lame attempts at humor are not welcome in Music, huh?

Click here if you're bored enough to email me.Everyone else has a scrolling marquee in their sigs. I was beginning to feel left out.
"Miracles and lucky charms made the girl of my dreams the girl in my arms." - Dr. Frank
Sephiroth
posted on 11-26-2001 @ 6:34 PM      
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quote:

ROFL! Didn't think you did requests Seph...



Well, i still dont. I know what picture Froy wants me to post. But Im not going to post that picture. Because that picture isnt funny. Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever funny.

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