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USA		posted on 04-13-2002 @ 7:43 PM      
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This is something that has bothered me for a while, but for some reason I never thought to ask about it here.

Everytime I run the defragment program, it takes a good 6-8 hours to complete. Now I know you are supposed to shut down all programs running in the backround and I made sure of that. I even went so far as to uninstall my anti-virus and Internet Security programs so there was no trace of them. The damn thing still took 8 hours to complete. To me that seems like it's way too long.

Is this normal to take this long and if not what could be the problem?

Oh yeah, almost forgot. My computer's specs are a Pentium 3, 600 mhz, 256 megs RAM, 20 gig HD. Hope that helps some.


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Kickflip b/s Tailslide Strike Team		posted on 04-13-2002 @ 7:48 PM      
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well i have an 8 gig HD and it takes about 4 hours, so maybe its just the size of the hard drive.

P.S. i have no idea what im talking about


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posted on 04-13-2002 @ 7:53 PM      
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I have had the same problems in the past never 8 hours but sometimes a good 4. so what i stared doing was run it once a week and now it takes only about 35 min. Hope this helps in anyway
Paper Boy
I want my two dollars!		posted on 04-13-2002 @ 8:03 PM      
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I tried to defrag my disk last sunday, I startes at 5pm, I woke up Monday morning at 4:30am and it was only 76% done.

It went much quicker with Norton Speed Disk. I would pick up the program.

:rolleyes::):-D


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Mirc's Dalnet #opieanthony		posted on 04-13-2002 @ 8:06 PM      
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Which version of windows are you running?





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USA		posted on 04-13-2002 @ 8:13 PM      
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Windows 98 SE.


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Mirc's Dalnet #opieanthony		posted on 04-13-2002 @ 8:19 PM      
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Uch....there's your problem. Defragging in 98 is horrible. When I used to have it, it took almost a week to defrag both of my drives. Why not get 2000 or XP? Defragging is amazing with that. Actually, I am defragging as we speak.





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WOW Forum Ambassador		posted on 04-13-2002 @ 8:24 PM      
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It's all about the size of the drive. Defrag reads organizes and rewrites the entire drive (whether the entire drive is in use or not). A 20 gig drive takes a long time to defragment.

You've really got two effective options here:
1. Defrag more often. If the drive is only 5% fragmented it will take less time than if you wait until it is 20% fragmented. Still gonna take a while... but, not quite as long.

2. To seriously reduce defrag time. Partition the drive. 3.5 to 4 gigs in the primary partition will take far less time to defrag monthly.

What you do with the extended partition kinda depends on what you store there. You've got another 16 or 16.5 gigs.

If it's all to be used for file storage and you don't add and remove files very often, it's won't get very fragmented.

If you're gonna install a game, play it for a couple weeks and, uninstall it, you might consider further partitioning or logical drives. Break that original 20 gig drive up into four 5gig drives and each will be much easier to maintain.

In case you are worried that you'll need to format and reinstall everything to do this... It's really not necessary with the help of a program like partition magic.



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(I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans) 		posted on 04-13-2002 @ 10:51 PM      
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quote:
20 gig HD


How much free space out of the 20 gig?

What percentage was fragmeted before you started?

quote:
I even went so far as to uninstall my anti-virus and Internet Security programs so there was no trace of them.


Why?



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USA		posted on 04-13-2002 @ 11:19 PM      
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quote:
How much free space out of the 20 gig?

Somewhere between 9.5 and 10 gigs free.

quote:
What percentage was fragmeted before you started?

No clue. It didn't say. It used to on my old system with Windows 95, but not on this one.

quote:
Why?

Because there was some corrupt file with the Norton Internet Security so I decided to completely uninstall it and then try the defrag before reinstalling.



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(I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans) 		posted on 04-14-2002 @ 12:04 AM      
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quote:
Somewhere between 9.5 and 10 gigs free.


OK, you had more than enough free space to defrag properly.

quote:
No clue. It didn't say. It used to on my old system with Windows 95, but not on this one


You may want to invest in a quality third-party defrag utility. I will let barch feel useful, and look up a good one to recommend to you.

quote:
Because there was some corrupt file with the Norton Internet Security so I decided to completely uninstall it and then try the defrag before reinstalling.


A corrupted file would not have affected your defragging.

I went straight from that piece of shit Windows 98 First Edition to Windows 2000 professional nearly 2 years ago. I haven't defragged in 98 since. However, I do remember it taking a while. Not 6 or 8 hours, but a long time nonetheless.

I had a 10 gig HD split 5/5.

Install Linux, preferably the latest SuSE distro. :)





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I think it all started with the Declaration of Independence -- the idea that we had the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That pursuit is what took America from the revolution to the computer age in 200 years. But the progress has come at a price. The obvious being the people that were exploited to make it possible; the not so obvious being us, the first group of people that were given no obvious frontiers to conquer. We hear stories that about the good old days that don't seem to apply anymore. It's a generation gap that leaves us without role models. But the bright side is that without role models, there are no roles. Maybe that's what the 60s were all about -- getting rid of the roles. But what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, the choices become overwhelming. Sometimes it just makes everything feel hopeless. So we destroy our bodies in the search of an ideal. Try to salvage relationships that don't work. We feel we must do something, instead of doing something that we feel. It is the prison of self-imposed momentum, and the sad part is that we get used to it. It reminds me of a song I heard the other day. It's called "The Going Nowhere Fast." But the people I have met here have shown me another side of Nowhere. They've pointed out the beautiful irony that stagnation makes it easy to stop and smell the roses, if we just let it. What would we be if we had nothing to rebel against? Well we could finally be ourselves, the first group of people who stopped looking for the answers long enough to appreciate the questions. And all we have to do is to make our own Declaration of Independence. We can embrace the right to life and liberty by simply realizing that happiness exists -- not to pursue, but to accept. After that the only challenge would be to make sure with the rest of our lives that we weren't just another fad. I don't know, it's an idea. What do you think?



This message was edited by SLASH on 4-14-02 @ 12:42 AM

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USA		posted on 04-14-2002 @ 12:33 AM      
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quote:
A corrupted file would not have affected your defragging.

No, the corrupted file wasn't allowing me to update the Internet Security or the Anti-Virus. That's why I had to completely reinstall it.
Thanks for all the info though.


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Mirc's Dalnet #opieanthony		posted on 04-14-2002 @ 1:09 AM      
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quote:
You may want to invest in a quality third-party defrag utility. I will let barch feel useful, and look up a good one to recommend to you.


Ok, I am not Barch, but I know a little bit of this stuff. There are 2 really good 3rd Party Defraggers: Diskeeper and O & O Defrag. I wouldn't recommend paying for it, but that is just me. Again, I recommend getting rid of 98, it is a piece of shit. If you play games, get XP, if you dont, get 2000.




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(I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans) 		posted on 04-14-2002 @ 1:17 AM      
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quote:
Diskeeper


Yea, that's by www.executivesoftware.com.

But who pays for software?

More importantly, how will barch contribute now?



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I think it all started with the Declaration of Independence -- the idea that we had the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That pursuit is what took America from the revolution to the computer age in 200 years. But the progress has come at a price. The obvious being the people that were exploited to make it possible; the not so obvious being us, the first group of people that were given no obvious frontiers to conquer. We hear stories that about the good old days that don't seem to apply anymore. It's a generation gap that leaves us without role models. But the bright side is that without role models, there are no roles. Maybe that's what the 60s were all about -- getting rid of the roles. But what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, the choices become overwhelming. Sometimes it just makes everything feel hopeless. So we destroy our bodies in the search of an ideal. Try to salvage relationships that don't work. We feel we must do something, instead of doing something that we feel. It is the prison of self-imposed momentum, and the sad part is that we get used to it. It reminds me of a song I heard the other day. It's called "The Going Nowhere Fast." But the people I have met here have shown me another side of Nowhere. They've pointed out the beautiful irony that stagnation makes it easy to stop and smell the roses, if we just let it. What would we be if we had nothing to rebel against? Well we could finally be ourselves, the first group of people who stopped looking for the answers long enough to appreciate the questions. And all we have to do is to make our own Declaration of Independence. We can embrace the right to life and liberty by simply realizing that happiness exists -- not to pursue, but to accept. After that the only challenge would be to make sure with the rest of our lives that we weren't just another fad. I don't know, it's an idea. What do you think?



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The man with the plan.		posted on 04-14-2002 @ 2:39 AM      
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Windows 98 Defrag is INCREDIBLY slow.

Back at Symantec, we ran a little test. Their Speed Disk program had (maybe still has, not sure) an undocumented switch that CAUSES intentional drive framentation. We took a machine, and fragmented it as much as possible (5% remained unfragmented). I believe it was about 540 MB on a P-90. Speed Disk cleaned it up in 45 minutes. Then we fragmented it, right down to 5% again. Used Windows Defrag this time. Took 3 hours, 15 minutes. Then Speed Disk took another 45 minutes to clean up what Defrag missed.

So.... if you'd like a suggestion.... I'd say, go grab Norton Utilities or Norton SystemWorks to get Speed Disk.

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WOW Forum Ambassador		posted on 04-14-2002 @ 8:13 AM      
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quote:
More importantly, how will barch contribute now?
The barch is gonna stand by his previous suggestion. Partition that drive. There is no reason for anyone to need a single 20gig drive. And, no matter which defrag program you use (purchased or stolen), it will most certainly take less time to defragment a smaller partition.



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1/2 a bottle of Jack Daniels... it's a cure-all		posted on 04-14-2002 @ 10:25 AM      
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Mine kept starting over and over again. I emptied the start up folder, and everythig is working fine now.


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The man with the plan.		posted on 04-14-2002 @ 12:22 PM      
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Oh stop it, Barch. I have 40 gigs on ONE partition. Windows 2000, NTFS, running on a 933. It takes maybe an hour to defrag with Speed Disk, and that's when it's really bad.

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WOW Forum Ambassador		posted on 04-14-2002 @ 12:37 PM      
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Yeah but, you also use EZ-Pass. :-p



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Teh funny blah blah absent blah blah teh blah		posted on 04-14-2002 @ 12:37 PM      
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I have an Athlon XP machine (1800) with 512 DDR Ram. 1 30gb hard drive partitioned into 1 10gb and 1 20gb drive. On the 10 I run Windows XP Pro and Norton System Works 2002. On the 20 I run Windows 98 SE. I can defrag both drives in about 15 minutes using Speeddisk in Windows XP. I definately recommend getting Speeddisk.


 

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The man with the plan.		posted on 04-14-2002 @ 12:40 PM      
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Pardon me if I choose not to be stuck in the 80s. Partitions and no EZPass.... I bet you sit around on a rocking chair talking about how great a president Coolidge was and reminiscing about "The Big One", World War I.

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(I'm a dick and I like to ruin people's plans) 		posted on 04-14-2002 @ 12:55 PM      
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1. FUCK EZPass. EZPAss is the work of the devil. I see zero pros on the user end to get EZPass, and endless cons.

2. What's so 80's about partitions?



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I think it all started with the Declaration of Independence -- the idea that we had the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That pursuit is what took America from the revolution to the computer age in 200 years. But the progress has come at a price. The obvious being the people that were exploited to make it possible; the not so obvious being us, the first group of people that were given no obvious frontiers to conquer. We hear stories that about the good old days that don't seem to apply anymore. It's a generation gap that leaves us without role models. But the bright side is that without role models, there are no roles. Maybe that's what the 60s were all about -- getting rid of the roles. But what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, what do we replace them with? Without any guidance, the choices become overwhelming. Sometimes it just makes everything feel hopeless. So we destroy our bodies in the search of an ideal. Try to salvage relationships that don't work. We feel we must do something, instead of doing something that we feel. It is the prison of self-imposed momentum, and the sad part is that we get used to it. It reminds me of a song I heard the other day. It's called "The Going Nowhere Fast." But the people I have met here have shown me another side of Nowhere. They've pointed out the beautiful irony that stagnation makes it easy to stop and smell the roses, if we just let it. What would we be if we had nothing to rebel against? Well we could finally be ourselves, the first group of people who stopped looking for the answers long enough to appreciate the questions. And all we have to do is to make our own Declaration of Independence. We can embrace the right to life and liberty by simply realizing that happiness exists -- not to pursue, but to accept. After that the only challenge would be to make sure with the rest of our lives that we weren't just another fad. I don't know, it's an idea. What do you think?



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Mirc's Dalnet #opieanthony		posted on 04-14-2002 @ 1:13 PM      
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Another suggestion.....If you would like to keep your computer the way it is, I would recommend booting to Safe Mode, and defragging there. Leave it overnight and it should be fine in the morning.




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Albadabing
Hey...gimme a break, I'm still trying to figure out these HTML Buttons		posted on 04-14-2002 @ 6:39 PM      
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Win 98 is slow on the defrag......Third party software would speed that up. Or like others have said, partition your drive and or run defrag more often. :-p

henry
posted on 04-26-2002 @ 2:55 PM      
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There is a defrag for windows ME that works like a charm in 98. It allows you to do other tasks while you defrag your 20-40 GB HDD in 15 to 20 minutes.(on a new, fast machine). It was available in several places, but MS had it pulled. If you can get it, it's only a matter of renaming your defrag.exe to defrag.old, putting the new one in your Windows folder (being sure it is then named defrag.exe), and running defrag in the usual way. It's slick. It used to be in lurkhere.com.



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